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It’s not mental HEALTH!!! Grrr

199 replies

BarbaraVineFan · 17/07/2026 00:33

AIBU to get so irritated with people using ‘ mental health’ to mean ‘ mental illness’? I saw it in an advert for health insurance or something today, a whole list of complaints including joint pain, Parkinson’s, diabetes etc and then MENTAL HEALTH. Mental health is not an illness!! The clue is in the name! Why do people do it? It’s so odd and only seems to have started in the last couple of years.

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OwlBeThere · 17/07/2026 10:08

BarbaraVineFan · 17/07/2026 00:33

AIBU to get so irritated with people using ‘ mental health’ to mean ‘ mental illness’? I saw it in an advert for health insurance or something today, a whole list of complaints including joint pain, Parkinson’s, diabetes etc and then MENTAL HEALTH. Mental health is not an illness!! The clue is in the name! Why do people do it? It’s so odd and only seems to have started in the last couple of years.

it’s not new, it’s been driving me batty for decades 😂😩😩

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · 17/07/2026 10:12

BarbaraVineFan · 17/07/2026 00:46

but surely we shouldn’t only go by ‘I know what they mean, so it’s ok.’ If your four year old says ‘I goed to the park today’, you obviously know what they mean but you don’t just let them say it wrong- you correct them.

i am not of course suggesting that you should be a dick about it and correct adults who say it. But surely in a published advert it should be correct?!

I agree with you, it just sounds stupid.

But, it’s I not i, and But not but. 😉

Allisnotlost1 · 17/07/2026 10:13

lottiegarbanzo · 17/07/2026 09:43

What I’m exploring is that I do think there is a hinterland between mental illness and good mental health that wasn’t formerly talked about, so there isn’t established wording. It’s poor mental health but the novelty of widespread discussion means that poor common usage has been adopted more widely than it should have been.

I agree with this. We’re starting to talk more about areas that we don’t yet have the language for, and inevitably people will misname. My great grandma used to call joint pain ‘a bone in my knee’, so it’s not that surprising people get it wrong. I agree with @BarbaraVineFan that it’s annoying though, and people - especially professionals - should realise that their terminology needs to be clearer. We usually talk about mental health needs (which we all have, and which can be more or less severe/complex).

TwoPintsOfCherryadeAndAPacketOfQuavers · 17/07/2026 10:23

Language evolves 🤷‍♀️ Is this affecting you in any way whatsoever?

Dollymylove · 17/07/2026 10:26

"Mental health" is the 21st century's version of the "bad back" nobody can really tell conclusively if the lead is being swung.
Nowadays everyone has to tiptoe around these people, having to up their workload because poor Sally cant possibly finish the project because of "mental health".
Shes ok with a wild boozy weekend with her pals though 😬
Ill get my coat

ChirpaChirpaCheepCheepChirp · 17/07/2026 10:27

TwoPintsOfCherryadeAndAPacketOfQuavers · 17/07/2026 10:23

Language evolves 🤷‍♀️ Is this affecting you in any way whatsoever?

This is a shit excuse for using imprecise language that doesn’t make any sense. It’s like me saying I’m overweight by saying “I have a weight”.

Blagdoncobbles · 17/07/2026 10:38

My mental health is poor but I don't have a mental illness, I'm essentially the mental health equivalent of being a bit run down.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/07/2026 10:46

Justwatching1 · 17/07/2026 09:56

acctully it can be part of mental health ilness death i mean as part of my CPTSD i havea psycotic fear of death and yes i know people die but mental illness can make you not think logically

It can be. But it doesn't have to be, though, and creating a narrative that it is a mental illness for everybody would not be helpful, both in putting people off seeking help and in the ways they are seen or treated by others.

I don't want to pry or ask for details and I certainly can't speak for you and your experiences, but I could give an example where somebody has been bereaved and developed CPTSD as a result of the experience in part due to not being allowed to take time out, get some help and adjust without it becoming a harder to treat condition/illness. Or that fear could be a symptom of their CPTSD or PTSD rather than as a direct result of the specific experiences that let to that condition; treating a 'simple' case of finding things temporarily difficult following a bereavement the same in words, attitudes and diagnosis as the experiences of somebody who has experienced something that has led to CPTSD and their particular symptoms and presentation does both a disservice.

Making it less personal, as I don't want to come across in any way that could hurt you or denigrate anything you have experienced or are suffering, I'll give an example from my experience;

I have adenomyosis. At my first gynae appointment, I was bleeding profusely (had been for six weeks at that point) and felt absolutely awful, in pain, exhausted and to be told by the trainee doctor that the male lead consultant had seen me walk in and said I was too fat for any treatment so they weren't going to investigate for endometriosis around my ligaments and due to my age it'll probably stop soon anyhow. I felt like crap, the way this faceless male consultant had seen my bloated abdomen and assumed that I was simply old, fat and miserable rather than in pain, anaemic and bleeding like a stuck pig made me feel worse - but I was not depressed.

In the letter to the GP, they informed her that I was depressed and discharged me. I then had to sit through a mood questionnaire and argue with them that no, I did not need antidepressants or a referral for counselling, I needed to be re-referred for Mirena insertion at the very least (as the GP and local clinic were not able to perform the procedure when I was bleeding profusely).

It took another 6 weeks for the bleeding to ease up after insertion and it's still happening 3 months later, but with the reduction in bleeding and swelling, some heavy duty supplementation and spending a hell of a lot of money on things to do with the physical side of so much blood loss and pelvic/abdominal/spinal pain over months, I do not feel anywhere near as awful as I did during that appointment. If I had an appointment today, I would either not be described as depressed in the first place or if it were suggested, I'd be a whole lot more able to point out that fact.

What helped aside from the actual useful hormonal treatment, supplementation, food, acupuncture and the like was two days off work following insertion where I didn't have to worry about whether I'd leak through pads, disposable period pants and clothes with a uterus feeling like a red hot cannonball trying to crawl out via my spine (plus a vaginal vault that really didn't appreciate being injected with anaesthetic multiple times) and instead sit on a quadruple bath sheet on the sofa feeling sorry for myself - and getting copious cups of tea and some sympathy from DP when he came in - without having to pretend to be a functioning human being for 48 hours. That wasn't taking time off due to depression or mental illness, if it came to it, I could have dragged myself into work, been next to useless and not performed adequately the following week either - but it did benefit my mental health to do so.

Had DP not been there, maybe I would have benefited from somebody else just taking (paid) time to hear me complain about how shit I felt and make the right noises so I felt like at least somebody heard me and wasn't dismissing it all as the miserable ramblings of a fat, depressed old woman. That would come under mental health, not mental illness.

midwalker · 17/07/2026 10:50

Agree OP. I’ve also heard several times “we lost him to mental health” or similar as a euphemism for suicide! I get that it’s very emotive for people, but it’s such a strange and inaccurate turn of phrase.

MargaretMeldrew · 17/07/2026 11:10

Dollymylove · 17/07/2026 10:26

"Mental health" is the 21st century's version of the "bad back" nobody can really tell conclusively if the lead is being swung.
Nowadays everyone has to tiptoe around these people, having to up their workload because poor Sally cant possibly finish the project because of "mental health".
Shes ok with a wild boozy weekend with her pals though 😬
Ill get my coat

These people?

Yeah get your coat. You missed the point of the thread anyway. It was about imprecise language, not an excuse to start making derogatory comments about somebody else’s personal health issues. You clearly haven’t a bloody clue.

alias647 · 17/07/2026 11:23

Didn’t Tyson Fury’s dad constantly go on about how Tyson has ‘mental health’ in the first series of their programme, wound me right up!

fivepastmidnight · 17/07/2026 11:25

I know what you mean it's a pet peeve of mine as well. Yes I understand what people mean but it doesn't stop it being any less annoying. Same with blood pressure I used to know somebody who talked about her husband having blood pressure. Everybody's got blood pressure love.

Millytante · 17/07/2026 11:26

ChirpaChirpaCheepCheepChirp · 17/07/2026 10:27

This is a shit excuse for using imprecise language that doesn’t make any sense. It’s like me saying I’m overweight by saying “I have a weight”.

The ‘language evolves’ reaction is even more infuriating than the use of ‘mental health’ as a blanket term for mental ill-health of all kinds!

DressOrSkirt · 17/07/2026 11:43

Negroany · 17/07/2026 09:42

That's weird, I've never seen one without a reason on, there's a place for it. If it was for work purposes I'd reject that and ask them to have it amended.

For work purposes. I'm in Ireland so it might be different in the UK, but you don't have to disclose medical information to work here. Why would you need to know the specifics?

CustardySergeant · 17/07/2026 12:10

BarbaraVineFan · 17/07/2026 00:33

AIBU to get so irritated with people using ‘ mental health’ to mean ‘ mental illness’? I saw it in an advert for health insurance or something today, a whole list of complaints including joint pain, Parkinson’s, diabetes etc and then MENTAL HEALTH. Mental health is not an illness!! The clue is in the name! Why do people do it? It’s so odd and only seems to have started in the last couple of years.

I agree with you. So often you hear "She's got mental health" to which I think she's lucky then, I wish I had - while knowing of course that what they actually mean is either "She's got a mental health condition" e.g. depression or "She's got mental illness". If someone was physically ill, no one would be saying they've got physical health would they? I haven't got mental health, I've got depression and anxiety.

HRTQueen · 17/07/2026 12:23

I don't expect (or get irritated) by people using wrong descriptions as why would they know how to use correct descriptions they don't work in a mh setting (and this is also vague at times and different mh teams will use slightly different terminology) I know what they are getting at

Negroany · 17/07/2026 12:24

DressOrSkirt · 17/07/2026 11:43

For work purposes. I'm in Ireland so it might be different in the UK, but you don't have to disclose medical information to work here. Why would you need to know the specifics?

Many reasons, that's why it is required.

To offer support, to see if it's an ongoing issue or lots of different ones, to understand if there's a disability which needs reasonable adjustments, to see if anything in the workplace is making it worse, and so on.

Ultimately, to move to dismissal if the employee cannot do the job due to ill health.

Blagdoncobbles · 17/07/2026 13:16

BarbaraVineFan · 17/07/2026 00:41

Where do we draw the line between being pedantic and being correct though ?! You may as well say that they should have just put ‘joints’ instead of ‘ joint pain’.

Edited

But if some did a big sigh and you asked "are you ok" and they said "it's my joints" you'd understand. Equally if I was off work and a colleague enquired, if say "it's my mental health". They'll understand it means my mental health was bad.

Walkaround · 17/07/2026 16:17

Blagdoncobbles · 17/07/2026 13:16

But if some did a big sigh and you asked "are you ok" and they said "it's my joints" you'd understand. Equally if I was off work and a colleague enquired, if say "it's my mental health". They'll understand it means my mental health was bad.

That’s because you would be answering a question about what’s wrong with you, so fine to respond that there is something wrong with your mental health. I note you didn’t pretend it would make sense to say “I have got mental health,” because the latter response would make you sound like a right twat.

Allisnotlost1 · 17/07/2026 17:49

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/07/2026 10:46

It can be. But it doesn't have to be, though, and creating a narrative that it is a mental illness for everybody would not be helpful, both in putting people off seeking help and in the ways they are seen or treated by others.

I don't want to pry or ask for details and I certainly can't speak for you and your experiences, but I could give an example where somebody has been bereaved and developed CPTSD as a result of the experience in part due to not being allowed to take time out, get some help and adjust without it becoming a harder to treat condition/illness. Or that fear could be a symptom of their CPTSD or PTSD rather than as a direct result of the specific experiences that let to that condition; treating a 'simple' case of finding things temporarily difficult following a bereavement the same in words, attitudes and diagnosis as the experiences of somebody who has experienced something that has led to CPTSD and their particular symptoms and presentation does both a disservice.

Making it less personal, as I don't want to come across in any way that could hurt you or denigrate anything you have experienced or are suffering, I'll give an example from my experience;

I have adenomyosis. At my first gynae appointment, I was bleeding profusely (had been for six weeks at that point) and felt absolutely awful, in pain, exhausted and to be told by the trainee doctor that the male lead consultant had seen me walk in and said I was too fat for any treatment so they weren't going to investigate for endometriosis around my ligaments and due to my age it'll probably stop soon anyhow. I felt like crap, the way this faceless male consultant had seen my bloated abdomen and assumed that I was simply old, fat and miserable rather than in pain, anaemic and bleeding like a stuck pig made me feel worse - but I was not depressed.

In the letter to the GP, they informed her that I was depressed and discharged me. I then had to sit through a mood questionnaire and argue with them that no, I did not need antidepressants or a referral for counselling, I needed to be re-referred for Mirena insertion at the very least (as the GP and local clinic were not able to perform the procedure when I was bleeding profusely).

It took another 6 weeks for the bleeding to ease up after insertion and it's still happening 3 months later, but with the reduction in bleeding and swelling, some heavy duty supplementation and spending a hell of a lot of money on things to do with the physical side of so much blood loss and pelvic/abdominal/spinal pain over months, I do not feel anywhere near as awful as I did during that appointment. If I had an appointment today, I would either not be described as depressed in the first place or if it were suggested, I'd be a whole lot more able to point out that fact.

What helped aside from the actual useful hormonal treatment, supplementation, food, acupuncture and the like was two days off work following insertion where I didn't have to worry about whether I'd leak through pads, disposable period pants and clothes with a uterus feeling like a red hot cannonball trying to crawl out via my spine (plus a vaginal vault that really didn't appreciate being injected with anaesthetic multiple times) and instead sit on a quadruple bath sheet on the sofa feeling sorry for myself - and getting copious cups of tea and some sympathy from DP when he came in - without having to pretend to be a functioning human being for 48 hours. That wasn't taking time off due to depression or mental illness, if it came to it, I could have dragged myself into work, been next to useless and not performed adequately the following week either - but it did benefit my mental health to do so.

Had DP not been there, maybe I would have benefited from somebody else just taking (paid) time to hear me complain about how shit I felt and make the right noises so I felt like at least somebody heard me and wasn't dismissing it all as the miserable ramblings of a fat, depressed old woman. That would come under mental health, not mental illness.

Depression is a mental illness, and can be both caused and exacerbated by physical ill health. Totally reasonable to be depressed in the circumstances you described.

RoseOliviaAu · 17/07/2026 17:53

sweetpickle2 · 17/07/2026 00:37

You don’t have to have a diagnosed mental illness to struggle with your mental health though- I assume that’s what eg the insurance ad is referring to.

No but that would be mental ILL health

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/07/2026 18:41

Allisnotlost1 · 17/07/2026 17:49

Depression is a mental illness, and can be both caused and exacerbated by physical ill health. Totally reasonable to be depressed in the circumstances you described.

Also perfectly reasonable to not be depressed but just feeling pretty shitty on the day. Which is not depression and certainly not mental illness.

BiteSizedLife · 17/07/2026 18:42

midwalker · 17/07/2026 10:50

Agree OP. I’ve also heard several times “we lost him to mental health” or similar as a euphemism for suicide! I get that it’s very emotive for people, but it’s such a strange and inaccurate turn of phrase.

I have seen the term "unalived" for killed, suicide etc

i.e. "he unalived himself"

Maybe I'm too matter of fact but it still means the same thing and doesn't change the fact so how does using a made up weird word make it any better?

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · 17/07/2026 18:44

BiteSizedLife · 17/07/2026 18:42

I have seen the term "unalived" for killed, suicide etc

i.e. "he unalived himself"

Maybe I'm too matter of fact but it still means the same thing and doesn't change the fact so how does using a made up weird word make it any better?

I think it’a because social media flags certain words, so new ones are made up. It’s what I’ve heard.

Wherethedogsits · 17/07/2026 18:52

Maybe they should change the title mental health nurses because they are generally not working with people with good mental health?

Mental illness or mental ill health nurse instead of Mental health nurses?