To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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@BoredZelda
Just because a migrant says there is a migration problem, that does not mean there is a migration problem.

There is a migration problem. There is an integration problem.

You are deluded and in denial, and this means you re actually doing a massive disservice to all migrants living in the UK.
Because your delusion and stubbornness give no other choice to concerned people, UK-born or foreigners, than veering towards Reform, Restore, racism and riots.

Well we know the answer to that - we just can't say it.

No one is stopping you saying whatever it is you want to say

Leaving ECHR also potentially breaks the already shite Brexit agreement we have and reverts to a hard Brexit...'to terminate or suspend the operation of this Agreement … in whole or in part'.

GasPanic · Today 10:56

The ECHR like most EU organisations

It's nothing at all to do with the EU.

Give it a try.

A money making scheme for human rights lawyers??

Legally aided asylum appeals are remarkably poorly paid. Civil legal aid rates didn't increase from 1996 until the end of last year, in fact there was a 10% cut in 2012. In December 2025 they bunged us an extra thirty quid for new matters opened after that date (and by the time those reach the tribunal it will be 2027 at least). I wonder how you'd feel if your pay had not increased since 1996 and you'd accepted a 10% pay cut in 2012, and whether you'd consider yourself part of a "money making scheme."

Privately paid immigration work is much better paid, not least because much of it comes from companies and universities. However, none of their work will rely on ECHR elements because there is no human right to study or work in the UK.

Ask Israel.

Well done. You got the point.

A little more thought and you might be able to see that judging someone because someone in their community is a criminal is nonsensical.

No other choice?

They could try thinking, researching the facts, listening to people who are trying to give them those facts.

Just a thought.

Ask them what? Why can't LuckyHazelFox say the answer?

”Errrm, Benjamin? Ben? Appreciate you’re a bit busy but can you just pop onto Mumsnet and help someone answer a question?”

Thank you. I shall check the source and give that a read.

I believe Egypt and Jordan have extensive experience of taking in Palestinians. It's well documented if you'd care to research into it.

The “integration problem” (such that it exists) is a problem of our own making, rather than that of any immigrant. When houses are being fire bombed and people are being attached for the colour of their skin, when right wing newspaper headlines scream about immigrants being crime ridden deplorables and mosques are being targeted, how much do you think that encourages people to integrate? You appear to claim you have integrated, what is it about all those other migrants that you believe they don’t want the same?

I was asking about your answer, the one you can't say

I’m a higher rate tax payer. I guarantee my family takes more from the system than I pay in. In the scheme of things, higher rate tax (and I pay even more because I live in Scotland) makes little difference to my income.

Explore the alternative view, listen to people, try to see it from a different perspective ... Why don't you start with yourself?

Just a thought...

As for the UK population, they are not rejecting the idea firsthand out of ignorance, they have been living with it for 20y, this is how they formed their opinion, it's not coming out of thin air or biases, it's not a theoretical discussion, it's their direct experience.

Your pov has been the mantra for most of these years, you have had your fair chance to expose your views, win people over, let facts speak for themselves, etc. And yet, people don't like it as much as you would like them to. It is not a question of needing more time or doing more to convince, it is a question of you not accepting you have lost this debate. That's the denial.

Which we already have anyway

I was giving you my answer. The ME conflict gets heated, hence why it's pointless trying to talk about the negative experiences that other countries have faced.

On questions do you think Mahmood’s hardline policies are true Labour?

No

I think they align more with your views, am I correct?

The “integration problem” (such that it exists) is a problem of our own making, rather than that of any immigrant.

Not wrong. The UK should have never gone the way of multiculturalism regarding integration.

I wouldn’t back Labour over them it’s too hypocritical.

Burnham saying he will go back to Labour values whilst voting for Mahmood’s policies.

That’s a quick move from refugees welcome to now we are very hardline and pretending nothing’s changed. Maybe they’ll get some voters but it’s pretty dishonest.

That is not what I asked.

I know you would never back Labour, I asked if those immigration policies align more with your views.

You already know that I disagree with those policies as do many other Labour voters/lefites.