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AIBU to let my son decide on Swiss military service?

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ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:06

I’m looking for some outside perspectives because I can genuinely see both sides and I’m not sure whether I’m being too protective or whether my DH’s own positive experience is influencing how strongly he feels.

Some background: I’m British, my DH is Swiss, and we currently live in England. Our DS turns 19 next year (you receive the information about it at 18 and go to the basic training info talks etc then too, our son has been) and has the opportunity to take part in Swiss military service. It’s voluntary for him as he was born in Switzerland and has Swiss citizenship through his dad. We lived there when he was younger, but he has grown up mostly in England.

DS is actually very connected to his Swiss side. He speaks German, French and English fluently. He attended a French school here in England, where there are lots of Swiss children, and many of his close friends are Swiss. He is not someone who has grown up disconnected from Swiss culture or language.

The issue that has come up is Swiss military service. Because of his citizenship, it is something available to him if he chooses to pursue it. DH feels very strongly that DS should consider doing it as a gap year before university, DS is currently about to take his gap year after receiving his French baccalaureate results and did incredibly well. He had offers for university and was going to attend either Uni of Edinburgh or Durham but chose to take a gap year and will be off travelling with friends in a few weeks

DH’s view is that this would be an incredible opportunity at 19. He sees it as much more than just military service he sees it as a rite of passage and an important transition from being a teenager into adulthood.

DH did Swiss military service himself and genuinely looks back on it as one of the best experiences of his life. He talks about the friendships he made, the responsibility he was given, learning to work with people from completely different backgrounds, being pushed outside his comfort zone and gaining confidence and independence.

For DH, it wasn’t just about the practical skills. It was about the shared experience and the feeling of becoming part of something bigger. Many Swiss men of his generation went through it and it was a normal and important part of growing up.

He believes DS would gain a lot from it too. He says it teaches things like resilience, discipline, teamwork, leadership, responsibility and confidence. He also feels that some of these skills are not necessarily taught in the same way in England where there isn’t a national service that young people are required to take part in at 18/19 up to age 24 at the latest. It’s just the norm in Switzerland to the point that if you do fail by 25 you are required to pay the military exemption tax so all able bodied young men essentially have to do it. He thinks education here is excellent, but that there are fewer opportunities where young people are taken out of their comfort zone, given responsibility and expected to work as part of a team in a challenging environment.

He also thinks it would be a chance for DS to deepen his connection with Switzerland. Although DS already speaks the languages and has Swiss friends, DH feels that living and working alongside other Swiss young people would give him a different understanding of Swiss culture and identity. He thinks DS could develop his language skills even further and experience a side of Switzerland that you don’t get just through school or family connections.

DH’s Swiss family all feel similarly. They see it as a huge opportunity and something DS would be lucky to have access to. They worry that if he doesn’t do it, he may look back later and wonder why he turned down something that could have been so valuable.

I do understand where DH and his family are coming from. I can see why DH feels passionate about it, especially because he had such a positive experience himself. I also think there is something quite meaningful about wanting to pass on an experience that shaped you.

Where I struggle is that DS himself isn’t particularly enthusiastic at the moment. He hasn’t completely ruled it out, but it is not something he is currently excited about. His plans are more focused on university and continuing the path he has already started in England.

DH has told DS that he would be very disappointed if he chose not to take this opportunity. I know DH means this from a place of love and because he genuinely believes it would benefit DS, but I do worry that DS may feel he is making the choice to please his dad rather than because it is what he wants.

My view is that our job as parents is to explain the opportunity, talk through the benefits and encourage him to think seriously about it, but ultimately it is his life and he needs to own the decision. If he chooses to do it because he sees the value, I will support him completely. If he chooses not to, I don’t want him to feel that he has disappointed his dad or his Swiss family.

DH’s argument is that young people do not always recognise the value of opportunities when they are young. Sometimes parents have to encourage their children to do things that challenge them because the benefits only become clear afterwards.

I can see that argument too. I’m not against encouraging him and I am also not against him doing it. I just wonder where the line is between guidance and pressure.

For those familiar with Swiss culture, military service, or children who have taken challenging gap year experiences: did they appreciate it afterwards even if they weren’t keen beforehand? Would you encourage an 18-year-old to take an opportunity like this because you believe it will shape them positively, or would you leave the decision entirely to them?

AIBU to just let him decide. He’s said to us ‘I’ll just do it if dad insists but can’t really be bothered’ which has really annoyed DH. He thinks he’s become too odd with this type of attitude and this is exactly why hr needs to do it. He’ll come back a different person.

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Darragon · 14/07/2026 19:38

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:33

I think they said they cannot believe that they actually read the rambles to which I agree and said they don’t have to read it. Maybe I might have interpreted it wrong. Text is sometimes a harder medium to interpret. I shall I leave it I’ve agreed with them. I didn’t come here to argue, I came here to ramble and get some different views not be told that they can’t believe they read my rambles it’s not forced. It’s a free site anyone can post on and no one I’d forced to interact with anyone’s ramblings.

Until someone has read the neverending OP on a thread like this, they don't know if it's important or significant, and people tend to give OPs the benefit of the doubt, and therefore be duly miffed if it's just rambling about nothing.
You could have summed it up in 3-4 sentences instead of posting a stream of consciousness.
And why do you keep saying "I agree" with that specific PP when you clearly don't??
This whole thread is just very strange.

Stanislas · 14/07/2026 19:40

I read through your post and agree let him make up his own mind .my grandson did this ,hated every minute ,thought it was terrible having to run 20k in stupid heat after four hours sleep etc etc. it has transformed him into a wonderful young man from being a pleasant enough teenager ,who now knows who he is and what he can achieve. I would say I am amazed at what he has become and even his sister who does not suffer fools said it has made a man of him.

InterestedDad37 · 14/07/2026 19:41

It's up to your son. You can learn lots about life from travelling.
No parent should wish their own experience of youth onto their children.
And in this day and age, the Swiss military service is incredibly sexist, applying only to men (I understand Swiss voters rejected the idea of parity by a large majority 🤷)
If I was your son, I'd go travelling, "sans hésiter" 👍

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:44

Ritaskitchen · 14/07/2026 19:25

Also where will he go at the weekends? It’s 16 hours days for basic training and they come home, clothes washed, feed them - the allowance per recruit per day for food is 6chf, and they sleep.
Will he have someone to stay with.
He will also be teased for being foreign - this is guaranteed.
How’s his swiss German and fitness?
There are definitely good points about it but it’s also very hard. DS is in basic training right now - 16 hour days, no free time, shouted at. He’s in the infrantry. Happy to chat more of Pm about what it’s like.

His Swiss German is great that is the only language his grandparents really speak to him in and he loves spending time with them so had made an effort to continue. Enough effort that he prefers his dad speaking to him in Swiss German mostly. His fitness is great, not sure it’s military level great but he competitive swims and competes in skiing too ,nothing too extravagant or Olympic level but I think that will help him. He enjoys fitness that’s one of the few things he’s mentioned in regards to this.

He will definitely be teased for being foreign there’s no way to really avoid that if he does decide to do it. I have made him aware of that.

We have lots of family on DHs side, his grandparents are there too who he sees multiple times a year sometimes goes over to see them on his own so I feel he’d be comfortable staying there if he chooses to do it.

How is your DS finding it?

I personally don’t want to force him nor do I want my son to feel as though he has to do it but that does not mean I can’t also see it as an opportunity. I am not Swiss therefore I don’t see it the way DH does. We have a younger son who is currently 16 and this is all he wants to talk about, he’s looking forward to it and has already decided even without DH really mentioning it to him. He knows more about it than I do, spends his time researching, he does want to go into the airforce. Our youngest son is still too young to make a decision but I think this is all up his ally from the things he’s interested in, he too wants to go into the airforce and has flight lessons at the minute but at 13 vs 18 you’re a different person so by 18 he might hate the idea. DH is a pilot and the two younger ones are very intrigued by his work. Three sons different we will have to see. I want my son to decide on his own.

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Reportingfromwherever · 14/07/2026 19:44

OP, please re/read your original message. Do you realise how much of it is DH thinks, DH says, DH wants, DH’s family think, I think….

It’s literally all about other people. None of it really is about your son. What does that tell you?

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:46

Darragon · 14/07/2026 19:38

Until someone has read the neverending OP on a thread like this, they don't know if it's important or significant, and people tend to give OPs the benefit of the doubt, and therefore be duly miffed if it's just rambling about nothing.
You could have summed it up in 3-4 sentences instead of posting a stream of consciousness.
And why do you keep saying "I agree" with that specific PP when you clearly don't??
This whole thread is just very strange.

As I am genuinely not here to argue with people I do not know who seem to have taken an offence wirh my post. That was never my intention. You’re right I could have summed it up in 2 sentences I have not read in detail the rules etc if it is against the rules you/anyone is able to report it

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ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:49

Stanislas · 14/07/2026 19:40

I read through your post and agree let him make up his own mind .my grandson did this ,hated every minute ,thought it was terrible having to run 20k in stupid heat after four hours sleep etc etc. it has transformed him into a wonderful young man from being a pleasant enough teenager ,who now knows who he is and what he can achieve. I would say I am amazed at what he has become and even his sister who does not suffer fools said it has made a man of him.

This is pretty much what DH has said. He’s not going to disown him if he chooses not to do it but thinks it will transform him and build resilience. He’s aware you’re able to build resilience in other form but this is also an opportunity. DH wasn’t too keen on it to begin with but by the end throughly enjoyed what he was able to achieve. He did not think he could do many of things expected but he achieved them all and by the end he says he wished he’d just started with an open mind the first few weeks and taken it day by day instead of sulking.

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pongos · 14/07/2026 19:50

Fe is half Finnish and planning to do military service in Finland. His finish is poor but he is keen to learn. He will do IB and then the service and afterwards decide what to study. He doesn’t have a clear view yet but hat he wants to do

Pinkissmart · 14/07/2026 19:51

It’s your son’s choice. It’s as simple as that. You’re over thinking this, it’s his life.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:54

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:38

You should try reading your own ramble back and reflecting on the pressure you and your DH are putting on your son. It’s out of order, especially your DH. That posters opinion was totally valid, because there’s no way your son is getting fair treatment over this situation with your DH being an arsehole and you and his family so deeply involved like this. Give him space to decide on his own, and approach for your opinion if he wants. He’s not even got real space for his own opinion here.

i agree I didn’t come here to say he or I wasn’t being an arsehole aha.

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ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:55

Reportingfromwherever · 14/07/2026 19:44

OP, please re/read your original message. Do you realise how much of it is DH thinks, DH says, DH wants, DH’s family think, I think….

It’s literally all about other people. None of it really is about your son. What does that tell you?

That’s was why I post I do realise that

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HammyHocky · 14/07/2026 19:57

Let him decide what he wants. Stop discussing it, leave him to it. He’s an adult, let him go travelling and he can decide what he wants to do with his own life. The pressure is way too much, it can cause a rift between your husband and son. You need to tell your husband to back right off

ony123 · 14/07/2026 20:02

I live in Switzerland and have girls but hear a lot about military service from their boyfriends and my friends' children.

The young people who seemed to really enjoy it did a specialism, such as army medic, ambulance driver or cyber soldier. Many of the ones who did the general soldier programme found it boring, miserable and depressing. Any hint of mental health issues and I would not recommend doing military service, there is an issue with suicide that is not reported in the press.

The other problem is that once you start military service, the army can force you to stay in the service for longer, to become a sergeant etc, even if it means delaying your studies further. And you have to return to complete more weeks of service for many years.

fluffiphlox · 14/07/2026 20:06

I think I got confused at the voting.
I would say that you should both back off. What a drama about one year of a 19 year old’s life.

OnGoldenPond · 14/07/2026 20:09

We have had an awful lot of detail about DH’s views on this, which are entirely irrelevant as it is entirely DS’s decision surely, as he is an adult? Your DH needs to wind his neck in, he seems to see DS as an extension of himself rather than as an independent adult in his own right, Fast track to alienating your own son.

I would advise you to tell your DH firmly that this is DS’s decision and he now needs to leave it. Tell DS that it is entirely up to him. Make sure he knows his Mum has his back in making his own decisions about his own life.

Katflapkit · 14/07/2026 20:10

I and our children were born in the Uk but we moved to Sweden (Swedish DH/kids Dad) when they were 8. Sweden has a voluntary 'national service' but this year all 17 year olds had to be complete a detailed questionnaire.

My son was wait listed this year but his friends are doing it now. It's only 9 months. They are enjoying it. Lots of practical stuff medical training, driving vehicles through forests type stuff. It am with your DH I think it will be a fantastic experience, also a chance to pick up some future skills . My husband did it and loves telling a military service tale.

Delphiniumandlupins · 14/07/2026 20:10

I'm not really keen on the idea of military service but it does seem as if this would give your DS some valuable skills and experience. How is he funding his gap year? Your DH may grudge paying for a year of dossing around and then turning down what he sees as an opportunity not offered to everyone.Travel is great but the job market is getting more and more competitive so does he have plans for life after university? Your DS is an adult and has to make his own choices but it's difficult to stand back and let our DC make mistakes. (Sometimes they even come back and say "Why did you let me...?")

hahabahbag · 14/07/2026 20:15

National service isn’t quite the same as joining the military but in some countries you are then a reservist, probably less of an issue in Switzerland I suppose. My dc is in the military (uk) and loves it but it’s all voluntary here of course, very well paid too in their specialism (for age)

Newsenmum · 14/07/2026 20:38

If he doesnt actually want to do it, surely it could be quite a miserable year for
him? That’s a shame dh is putting so much pressure on him.

Newsenmum · 14/07/2026 20:39

ony123 · 14/07/2026 20:02

I live in Switzerland and have girls but hear a lot about military service from their boyfriends and my friends' children.

The young people who seemed to really enjoy it did a specialism, such as army medic, ambulance driver or cyber soldier. Many of the ones who did the general soldier programme found it boring, miserable and depressing. Any hint of mental health issues and I would not recommend doing military service, there is an issue with suicide that is not reported in the press.

The other problem is that once you start military service, the army can force you to stay in the service for longer, to become a sergeant etc, even if it means delaying your studies further. And you have to return to complete more weeks of service for many years.

All of this

heartsinvisiblefury · 14/07/2026 21:16

Sounds more like your DH wants to sign up for it than anything else. He sounds like he is smothering your son with HIS ideas.

Friendlygingercat · 14/07/2026 21:38

Your account immediately made me think of the relationship between the late Prince Philip and Prince Charles (now Charles III) Philip had really enjoyed his days at the incredibly strict school of Gordonstoune where he spent his formative years. He claimed that it helped him develop all the kinds of qualities which you speak of. In short it "made a man" of him. Poor Charles was not a macho man like his father and hated it. He was relentlessly bullied and scarred by the experience.

Your account is full of what your DH learned in the Swiss military service and the advantages he gained from it. I did not hear much of your sons voice in your account. Although you say your son is in touch with Swiss culture and obviously values that side of his heritage, your DH sounds over invested. Ultimately your son is now an adult and must make his own choices. Is there any reason why he cant have a gap year and then do his military service, if that is his choice?

thismummydrinksgin · 14/07/2026 21:40

Your Son has been raised in England not Switzerland, I think your husbands got to accept that may influence his decision.

Chilly80 · 14/07/2026 22:06

I think it is a great opportunity and would look excellent on a future CV.
We all know how hard it is to get a job and that would make him stand out from others.

canklesmctacotits · 15/07/2026 12:59

The irony of parents being this involved in their child’s independence from them 😂