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AIBU to let my son decide on Swiss military service?

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ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:06

I’m looking for some outside perspectives because I can genuinely see both sides and I’m not sure whether I’m being too protective or whether my DH’s own positive experience is influencing how strongly he feels.

Some background: I’m British, my DH is Swiss, and we currently live in England. Our DS turns 19 next year (you receive the information about it at 18 and go to the basic training info talks etc then too, our son has been) and has the opportunity to take part in Swiss military service. It’s voluntary for him as he was born in Switzerland and has Swiss citizenship through his dad. We lived there when he was younger, but he has grown up mostly in England.

DS is actually very connected to his Swiss side. He speaks German, French and English fluently. He attended a French school here in England, where there are lots of Swiss children, and many of his close friends are Swiss. He is not someone who has grown up disconnected from Swiss culture or language.

The issue that has come up is Swiss military service. Because of his citizenship, it is something available to him if he chooses to pursue it. DH feels very strongly that DS should consider doing it as a gap year before university, DS is currently about to take his gap year after receiving his French baccalaureate results and did incredibly well. He had offers for university and was going to attend either Uni of Edinburgh or Durham but chose to take a gap year and will be off travelling with friends in a few weeks

DH’s view is that this would be an incredible opportunity at 19. He sees it as much more than just military service he sees it as a rite of passage and an important transition from being a teenager into adulthood.

DH did Swiss military service himself and genuinely looks back on it as one of the best experiences of his life. He talks about the friendships he made, the responsibility he was given, learning to work with people from completely different backgrounds, being pushed outside his comfort zone and gaining confidence and independence.

For DH, it wasn’t just about the practical skills. It was about the shared experience and the feeling of becoming part of something bigger. Many Swiss men of his generation went through it and it was a normal and important part of growing up.

He believes DS would gain a lot from it too. He says it teaches things like resilience, discipline, teamwork, leadership, responsibility and confidence. He also feels that some of these skills are not necessarily taught in the same way in England where there isn’t a national service that young people are required to take part in at 18/19 up to age 24 at the latest. It’s just the norm in Switzerland to the point that if you do fail by 25 you are required to pay the military exemption tax so all able bodied young men essentially have to do it. He thinks education here is excellent, but that there are fewer opportunities where young people are taken out of their comfort zone, given responsibility and expected to work as part of a team in a challenging environment.

He also thinks it would be a chance for DS to deepen his connection with Switzerland. Although DS already speaks the languages and has Swiss friends, DH feels that living and working alongside other Swiss young people would give him a different understanding of Swiss culture and identity. He thinks DS could develop his language skills even further and experience a side of Switzerland that you don’t get just through school or family connections.

DH’s Swiss family all feel similarly. They see it as a huge opportunity and something DS would be lucky to have access to. They worry that if he doesn’t do it, he may look back later and wonder why he turned down something that could have been so valuable.

I do understand where DH and his family are coming from. I can see why DH feels passionate about it, especially because he had such a positive experience himself. I also think there is something quite meaningful about wanting to pass on an experience that shaped you.

Where I struggle is that DS himself isn’t particularly enthusiastic at the moment. He hasn’t completely ruled it out, but it is not something he is currently excited about. His plans are more focused on university and continuing the path he has already started in England.

DH has told DS that he would be very disappointed if he chose not to take this opportunity. I know DH means this from a place of love and because he genuinely believes it would benefit DS, but I do worry that DS may feel he is making the choice to please his dad rather than because it is what he wants.

My view is that our job as parents is to explain the opportunity, talk through the benefits and encourage him to think seriously about it, but ultimately it is his life and he needs to own the decision. If he chooses to do it because he sees the value, I will support him completely. If he chooses not to, I don’t want him to feel that he has disappointed his dad or his Swiss family.

DH’s argument is that young people do not always recognise the value of opportunities when they are young. Sometimes parents have to encourage their children to do things that challenge them because the benefits only become clear afterwards.

I can see that argument too. I’m not against encouraging him and I am also not against him doing it. I just wonder where the line is between guidance and pressure.

For those familiar with Swiss culture, military service, or children who have taken challenging gap year experiences: did they appreciate it afterwards even if they weren’t keen beforehand? Would you encourage an 18-year-old to take an opportunity like this because you believe it will shape them positively, or would you leave the decision entirely to them?

AIBU to just let him decide. He’s said to us ‘I’ll just do it if dad insists but can’t really be bothered’ which has really annoyed DH. He thinks he’s become too odd with this type of attitude and this is exactly why hr needs to do it. He’ll come back a different person.

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Pedant61 · 14/07/2026 19:09

As your son is an adult, OP, then it's up to him to decide this, and everything else in his future life. I don't see how a parent can "insist" on him doing/not doing anything.

Orangemintcream · 14/07/2026 19:13

I think as an adult your DS is quite able to make this choice on his own and that your husband is being a bit of a knob to try and force his experience and choice on someone else.

Out of interest are any of your sons Swiss friends interested ?

Tbh I take a very dim view of forced military service particularly when it is highly sexist. But that’s not the point - it should remain your sons choice.

Twoweeksinaugust · 14/07/2026 19:16

You ask "AIBU to let him decide". That is literally the only option available to you. He is an adult, stop mythering him.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:18

Orangemintcream · 14/07/2026 19:13

I think as an adult your DS is quite able to make this choice on his own and that your husband is being a bit of a knob to try and force his experience and choice on someone else.

Out of interest are any of your sons Swiss friends interested ?

Tbh I take a very dim view of forced military service particularly when it is highly sexist. But that’s not the point - it should remain your sons choice.

I do agree, DHs family are just very proud to be Swiss and want our son to have this experience.

Yes a couple of his friends are going to do it and are very excited. They’ve since said to him that it’s part of our culture and essentially a rite of passage. Even a few girls he knows are keen to do it and for them it’s not even a requirement it’s voluntary.

I believe it’s our sons decision but also think it would be a great opportunity. I agree it is sexist, women can take part but only on a voluntary basis, there’s been proposals to make it mandatory for them but these have been rejected by Swiss voters.

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Ritaskitchen · 14/07/2026 19:20

My sons in the Swiss infrantry now doing his Durchdiener instead of RS. Feel free to message me.

DoloresDelEriba · 14/07/2026 19:20

I think it is a great idea. Confidence building.

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:20

I think both you and your husband are very intense.

You talking about 'let him decide' and your DH putting pressure on him.

Just back off the pair of you.

I've never seen such a long and rambling post about someone else's life.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:23

It sounds like a great idea. But neither of you get to ‘let’ him do anything. All of you need to stop pushing your ideas and opinions on your son of what you think he should do with HIS life, and let this young adult have the space to make some decisions on his own. He’s not a baby

Octavia64 · 14/07/2026 19:24

It’s a really really bad idea to try to pressure any 18 year old into doing what their parent wants.

see also parents that insist on choosing the degrees their child applies to.

your post is all about how strongly your dh feels. Your DS by contrast doesn’t seem overly bothered one way or the other.

I’d personally drop the rope. If your dh talks to you about it just ignore him. Your DS sounds like he wants to choose his own way anyway and most 18 year olds can ignore parents.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:24

Twoweeksinaugust · 14/07/2026 19:16

You ask "AIBU to let him decide". That is literally the only option available to you. He is an adult, stop mythering him.

I think he’s leaning more and more towards it due to his fathers opinions not necessarily because he wants to. I personally think it’s his choice but also do not think he will regret the experience. My nephew was not too keen on the idea but came back saying how much he enjoyed it and the friends he made, places around Switzerland he got to visit and just how much better he is as a person now. He’s not at university in here doing medicine. For him it was compulsory as they are permanent residents in Switzerland. So to be honest he really had no choice and had to make the most out of the opportunity as if you fail to you are liable to pay the tax so that played a part but he says he wishes he could do it again and plans to do the refresher again once he finishes university next year. Despite it not really being a choice he is actively choosing to do the refresher and actively wants to train new recruits.

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Ithinkhesamerdog · 14/07/2026 19:24

It is your DS decision and his alone. I would point out to your DH that the more he drives his point home the more likely your DS is to resist it .
Most students at English universities will only have one gap year so I can understand his reluctance to have a second one.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:25

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:20

I think both you and your husband are very intense.

You talking about 'let him decide' and your DH putting pressure on him.

Just back off the pair of you.

I've never seen such a long and rambling post about someone else's life.

I agree, I also think you also don’t have to read my rambles you are able to ignore the post I believe I am sorry it came up on your feed.

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Ritaskitchen · 14/07/2026 19:25

Also where will he go at the weekends? It’s 16 hours days for basic training and they come home, clothes washed, feed them - the allowance per recruit per day for food is 6chf, and they sleep.
Will he have someone to stay with.
He will also be teased for being foreign - this is guaranteed.
How’s his swiss German and fitness?
There are definitely good points about it but it’s also very hard. DS is in basic training right now - 16 hour days, no free time, shouted at. He’s in the infrantry. Happy to chat more of Pm about what it’s like.

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:27

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:25

I agree, I also think you also don’t have to read my rambles you are able to ignore the post I believe I am sorry it came up on your feed.

I'm well aware I don't have to read it, this is how chat forums work.

However, surely you and your husband have things going on in your own lives you can concentrate on and give your son a bit of a break from the intensity?

You'll end up pushing him away.

2BarbieOrNot2Barbie · 14/07/2026 19:29

Knowing a fair few Swiss people I understand where you DH is coming from. It is incredibly formative for young Swiss people and is a common experience shared across most young Swiss men. It would absolutely be an opportunity to really connect with his Swiss roots and heritage and is something that would likely look great in his CV as well as be a talking point in the future for interviews etc.. It will give him an added dimension compared to his peers in the UK for sure. it is ultimately his decision, but I would certainly be pointing out the positive side. No-one I know regret doing it and it is a point of pride to have done it. If he ever moved back to Switzerland, it will be a point of difference with his peer group that he hasn’t had that experience.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:29

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:27

I'm well aware I don't have to read it, this is how chat forums work.

However, surely you and your husband have things going on in your own lives you can concentrate on and give your son a bit of a break from the intensity?

You'll end up pushing him away.

I am confused but I will agree.

You have said you disliked the rambles. Spare yourself of my rambles

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HoppityBun · 14/07/2026 19:30

2BarbieOrNot2Barbie · 14/07/2026 19:29

Knowing a fair few Swiss people I understand where you DH is coming from. It is incredibly formative for young Swiss people and is a common experience shared across most young Swiss men. It would absolutely be an opportunity to really connect with his Swiss roots and heritage and is something that would likely look great in his CV as well as be a talking point in the future for interviews etc.. It will give him an added dimension compared to his peers in the UK for sure. it is ultimately his decision, but I would certainly be pointing out the positive side. No-one I know regret doing it and it is a point of pride to have done it. If he ever moved back to Switzerland, it will be a point of difference with his peer group that he hasn’t had that experience.

💯 agree

waltzingparrot · 14/07/2026 19:30

What generally happens after two years service? Do they tend to go to university and slot back into student life ok?

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:30

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:29

I am confused but I will agree.

You have said you disliked the rambles. Spare yourself of my rambles

They didn’t say they dislike your ramble, they gave their opinion on your post, because you asked for opinions!

Octavia64 · 14/07/2026 19:32

not military service, but a cousin of mine who wanted to study music and become a musician was told by his parents that they wouldn’t fund a music degree because he’d never make it as a musician.

he did a maths degree, did well. Then he left home and never used it again and has become a musician.

his parents are a mix of guilty and feeling that at least he has a back up qualification.

in this case it seems most likely that if your DS does it he’ll do it because his dad wants him to and he’ll probably come back and be like my cousin - ok, I’ve done what you wanted now I’m going to do what I want to do.

he is not your dh. He won’t have the same experience. And your dh may well, not regret exactly but your DS is unlikely to get out if it what he did.

i’ve heard various people wax lyrical about serving in the navy or army in the uk but in all honesty it’s very much suited to a particular type of person.

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:33

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:30

They didn’t say they dislike your ramble, they gave their opinion on your post, because you asked for opinions!

Thank you.

That's exactly it but I fear they're looking for an echo chamber.

Just the fact they can't read their own post back and see how they're far too involved in this young man's life, says a fair bit about the situation.

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:33

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:30

They didn’t say they dislike your ramble, they gave their opinion on your post, because you asked for opinions!

I think they said they cannot believe that they actually read the rambles to which I agree and said they don’t have to read it. Maybe I might have interpreted it wrong. Text is sometimes a harder medium to interpret. I shall I leave it I’ve agreed with them. I didn’t come here to argue, I came here to ramble and get some different views not be told that they can’t believe they read my rambles it’s not forced. It’s a free site anyone can post on and no one I’d forced to interact with anyone’s ramblings.

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ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:34

IPM · 14/07/2026 19:33

Thank you.

That's exactly it but I fear they're looking for an echo chamber.

Just the fact they can't read their own post back and see how they're far too involved in this young man's life, says a fair bit about the situation.

100% agree

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MerryUmberHedgehog · 14/07/2026 19:35

FGS what a long post about NOTHING IMPORTANT. Let your lad make his own mind up and accept it. Dont get involved. Tell him YOU will support him whatever he decides. And tell your husband the same and perhaps he will butt out.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 14/07/2026 19:38

ForHeartyEagle · 14/07/2026 19:33

I think they said they cannot believe that they actually read the rambles to which I agree and said they don’t have to read it. Maybe I might have interpreted it wrong. Text is sometimes a harder medium to interpret. I shall I leave it I’ve agreed with them. I didn’t come here to argue, I came here to ramble and get some different views not be told that they can’t believe they read my rambles it’s not forced. It’s a free site anyone can post on and no one I’d forced to interact with anyone’s ramblings.

You should try reading your own ramble back and reflecting on the pressure you and your DH are putting on your son. It’s out of order, especially your DH. That posters opinion was totally valid, because there’s no way your son is getting fair treatment over this situation with your DH being an arsehole and you and his family so deeply involved like this. Give him space to decide on his own, and approach for your opinion if he wants. He’s not even got real space for his own opinion here.

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