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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:36

HPFA · Yesterday 14:34

So when there's a "pattern" of crimes committed by white people do we start blaming all white people?

Yes, absolutely. Alcohol related violence for one. I’m perfectly comfortable as a white person with any crime we commit disproportionately being acknowledged.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 14:37

Velumental · Yesterday 14:36

Killer murdered dad-of-three 'to get dream job' as government assassin | STV News https://share.google/7zb6RGQloT0478w20

This fella lured a gay man to a school pretending to want a date and killed him. Yes there was this spate of Muslim men doing so, thank God they were caught because of the brave third victim who survived. It's horrifying. It's also something that happens on dating sites. Women are frequently berated for meeting men they don't know off dating sites because we know it happens.

That it happens due to a religious agenda is also terrible, gay men have been victims of these sort of murders and violent incidents by homophobes for a very long time. It's absolutely aborrhent but is it a crime that only happens due to immigration?

Ah the “whataboutary”.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:37

Velumental · Yesterday 14:36

Killer murdered dad-of-three 'to get dream job' as government assassin | STV News https://share.google/7zb6RGQloT0478w20

This fella lured a gay man to a school pretending to want a date and killed him. Yes there was this spate of Muslim men doing so, thank God they were caught because of the brave third victim who survived. It's horrifying. It's also something that happens on dating sites. Women are frequently berated for meeting men they don't know off dating sites because we know it happens.

That it happens due to a religious agenda is also terrible, gay men have been victims of these sort of murders and violent incidents by homophobes for a very long time. It's absolutely aborrhent but is it a crime that only happens due to immigration?

It's not like we know which religion leads the way in homophobia is it?

Velumental · Yesterday 14:38

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:36

Per capita. Once again, such a fundamental formula gets buried in the virtue signalling.

Do you have the statistics? I don't.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 14:38

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 14:33

It's violent and reflects a pattern of behaviour. Would you go and live in a country that had been involved in a 35 year war? Anywhere that has been involved in hostilities for that length of time is going to be reflected in the mindset of the population. Trauma changes the brain and research has demonstrated that trauma is passed down through genetics.

Would you go and live in a country that had been involved in a 35 year war?

Did you mean Northern Ireland?

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:31

No they are not. You can't keep shutting down people's concerns, when they see a pattern of perpetrators' profiles committing the same violent and initiated attacks.

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:39

Velumental · Yesterday 14:38

Do you have the statistics? I don't.

No bit anyone with any common sense could do the rough maths in their heads.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:41

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

Wtf with your last paragraph! What's a wild idea is expect a different culture of misogynistic homophobes to interact into western societies. Integration has failed.

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 14:42

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

The onus should be on the migrants to integrate with the cultural norms and societal standards of the country they’ve moved to, not the other way around.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:43

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

How would you know which of the men would behave as the perpetrator did?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:44

HPFA · Yesterday 14:34

So when there's a "pattern" of crimes committed by white people do we start blaming all white people?

What checks would you put in place or given your post is it none?

hypnovic · Yesterday 14:44

Do you care about violence/murder the victim or the colour of the perpetrator?
No prizes for guessing

Everanewbie · Yesterday 14:45

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

Maybe if we gave them even more free shit and answered the call to prayer 5 times a day and ban everything they don't like and all dissent, they might refrain from beheading us.

HPFA · Yesterday 14:45

Odd how the USA is quite prepared to tolerate school shootings because having restrictions on guns would be "unconstitutional". Why don't they tackle the "cultural issues" around this?

In 2024 around 1400 children and teens died in gun related violence in the USA.

Maybe Vance and co could look at doing something about this rather than trying to stir up racial violence in Europe?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:45

It's about time this elongated social experiment with regards multiculturalism ended. How many more deaths and rapes have to happen before this sinks in?

JuliaBraverman · Yesterday 14:46

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:45

It's about time this elongated social experiment with regards multiculturalism ended. How many more deaths and rapes have to happen before this sinks in?

This

WhatATravesty · Yesterday 14:48

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:38

Concerns? A lot of it is incitement to violence - off here I mean as well though there is a bit of that here - this is way beyond a ‘concern’.

But ok - what do you want to happen to allay these ‘concerns’
All asylum seekers banned?
All refugees settled here remigrated?
A full programme of re migration for anyone not here for 15 generations?

There is no consensus even on what would allay ‘concerns’ - I’ve seen everything from focus on small boats only it seems, to some nebulous concept of having to be ‘British’.

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

Picking up on your last sentence, how do you suggests we ' work on integration '? I always find it odd when people suggest this; it's not something to be forced by external factions, but something wholly reliant on a person's desire to commit.

HPFA · Yesterday 14:49

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:44

What checks would you put in place or given your post is it none?

I'd set up an asylum processing center in France (as the French once offered to allow us) where claimants could be properly vetted and screened before entering the UK.

A system that Reform would hate of course.

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:49

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 14:42

My personal suggestion is we stop making migrants feel hated and work on integration - wild idea I expect.

The onus should be on the migrants to integrate with the cultural norms and societal standards of the country they’ve moved to, not the other way around.

Well if I was inside a hotel, after being traumatised previously but thinking I’d found sanctuary, to then have a baying mob calling me pedo and trying to burn it down probably wouldn’t help me feel welcome - it is liable in fact to make me lean heavily on others in the same situation and encourage me to assume all the bastard whites hate me so fuck ‘em.

Oh - I don’t know - seems we offered a lot of integration stuff to Ukrainians- don’t tell me it’s as they were women. We have done it for Kosovans as well, not all women, and at the start of the Syrian resettlement programme - we are capable. We didn’t bother with the Windrush generation and that went well for such a long while didn’t it - but hey why bother looking at what works and what doesn’t.

Velumental · Yesterday 14:49

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:39

No bit anyone with any common sense could do the rough maths in their heads.

Ah can they? I genuinely want the statistics. I'm going to ask the internet

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:49

HPFA · Yesterday 14:49

I'd set up an asylum processing center in France (as the French once offered to allow us) where claimants could be properly vetted and screened before entering the UK.

A system that Reform would hate of course.

How many people would be attracted to that processing centre? How would you deal with the demand and where would those who get a no go?

JuliaBraverman · Yesterday 14:50

ThisCheekyDreamer · Yesterday 09:21

Those people saying ‘what stabbing’ don’t you watch the news????
for anyone saying it’s not one of the worst stabbings and it’s not unusual again do you live under a rock????
it’s absolutely horrific, a man is trying to cut off a persons head basically.
In reply to the original post….lets be totally honest we know exactly why no police statement has yet been made. The attacker isn’t English, he’s shouting in a different language. Need I say more.

Edited

They do understand it… just don’t want to face the unpalatable truth

Swiftie1878 · Yesterday 14:50

Thekichenisclosed · Yesterday 09:28

No he is dead.

Just saw the press conference and he’s alive! A miracle, surely?

HPFA · Yesterday 14:50

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:45

It's about time this elongated social experiment with regards multiculturalism ended. How many more deaths and rapes have to happen before this sinks in?

Well Farage is happy to pose alongside Andrew Tate and his ilk so he's hardly going to do much to prevent rape is he?

Whydotheyallhaverubbishwheels · Yesterday 14:51

I've just seen a video of it on Facebook. It's horrendous and I wish I hadn't stumbled upon it.

Belfast won't be quiet tonight that's for sure