To think this is a shocking waste of taxpayer’s money??

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Not the boy having some form of placement or help of course, but 300k for a little over 4 months! I’m sure this will be ‘controversial’ but I think we need to seriously rethink how much can be spent on just 1 person, unless (for example) they need round the clock nursing care to stay alive and specialist medical equipment of course.

Institutions were expensive. It's a reason why care in the community was introduced.

Like it or not, people with high care needs are going to cost money. Be it with institutionalised care or care in the community style care.

Not when the government has effectively wrecked/closed schools that helped SEND pupils!
And I have no skin in the game. No one in my family goes to private schools. But I was very against the government closing them for those who need them.

.and every time there is a scandal about someone being killed by poor care or discovered to be capable of living well with additional support you'll just think "oh well"
Then when that attitude moves to the elderly or premature babies you'll think "oh well"
Then when it touches you or your family you'll realise you were part of monstrous eugenics
Life extending drugs for any illness too costly "oh well"
It's a slippy slope of immorality

We are foster carers for our local authority. Before we started we looked at private providers in our area but both felt ut was immoral to profiteer from social needs .
There are some amazing private providers who do not do this.
Our LA has joined with other local ones and they are trying to do fostering 'in house' because outside agencies charge massive amounts compared , with the actual foster carers seeing little difference.
There are obviously some serious cases where children may need specialised/ more specific care but in a case local to us, a young girl in solo care (2 adults : 1 child) was plied with drinks and sexually abused by her 2 male 'carers' which had been outsourced .

You shouldn't be able to profiteer from essential services such as education/social care/justice-prisons/nhs/police etc

You’re capable of paying for it then?

Just the tip of the iceberg. Some people have 6+ kids taken into care - think of the court costs, staff costs, placement costs just for one family! Multiply that by thousands of families up and down the country.

Will it though? Be interesting to see in a decades tibe

I believe we are as a country yes. I wouldn't support private equity firms offering these services as they do and making huge profits (billions wasted). We could cut costs tomorrow..but not services

I don’t believe it will save money.

Yes every time there is a thread on this topic some people come out with ' bring back institutions to save money'.
It never seems to sink in that institutions were got rid of because they were more expensive.

Hmm down my road is a guy living alone with learning disabilities. He's in a 2 bed flat paid for. Has a career 24 hours . No physical needs. No reason he wouldn't cope as well in a shared house with communal area and a carer on site for 4. people with similar needs. That has to be cheaper than paying for 24/ hour care per person plus 4 2 bed glats

You can't think of a reason why someone who is deemed necessary to have 1:1 care 24 hours per day may not be suitable to have 1:4 care instead?.

He will have 1:1 care for good reason.

His dad is a friend of mine. It's 1 to 1 care to make sure he doesn't do things like turn the oven on or put the kettle on unsupervised. So yeah he could cope with someone in kitchen / communal area preventing that. He wouldn't need the 1 to 2 mm1 if it wasn't a flat that theirs only room for him and a carer

So no personal care at all?

Perhaps he can't share or a there is no local suitable shared placement. You cannot just put a random mix of people together and expect it to work. Also if you put multiple people requiring 1:1 together you cannot assume they will all need 1:1 at different times.

A friend told me their non-verbal daughter had got a place at a residential school costing the tax payer £250k a year, how can this be good value for money? Great for their DD, but even so she is not ever going to be able to live independently, her needs are too complex and that sort of money could help a number of children to reach their potential and live useful independent lives.

There is no local suitable place I suspect. That's the issue. They stopped all these and now are housing single people in 2 bed flat with carers And families who need these places are in one bedroom. No sense.

Learning difficulties do not stop someone having their private room in a shared house.

They were got rid of because they very often occupied large areas of prime development land and the government wanted to cash it in. We lived close to one that had lovely villas where inmates lived in small groups with beautiful gardens in between. It also incorporated a farm with fields and orchards that provided a lot of the food. People who were able to worked on the farm, in the gardens or in the kitchens and laundry. It sold for millions (and that was back then) and became a very expensive housing estate. The residents were put into the community, bewildered, separated from their friends and somehow expected to cope alone, I have no idea what happened to those who were literally unable to look after themselves at all, doubly incontinent, unable to feed themselves and with very little comprehension. I think it was a disaster. And then you read on here the terrible situations families are coping with, with severely disabled and sometimes violent adult children, looking after them on their own with no respite, it really doesn't seem like an improvement.

The public could vote for better public services, if they were willing to pay for it

And this can happen eg in Scotland, they pay slightly higher income tax to fund university fees and personal care fir elderly

It can stop people sharing. My son can't share.

So where does it live? Totally alone? This guy lived with his parents now shares constantly with random carers

He that should say not it. Just noticed thpo

He lives in own house with 24 hour support from several support workers. Their role is to support his needs not compete with them which is what would happen if he shared with others.

What's the alternative though? Especially considering residential spaces are often a last resort when other settings have been tried but were unsuitable.