Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

Hmm I wonder if he lives in a glass house......

Because you were talking about children - please don’t try to gaslight me by saying that you weren’t.

Interestingly SavilleMs PA said after everything came out, that she didn’t believe he was a sexual predator! She thought all his victims were lying.

Grief - as in the grief of finding out a loved one is a monster - does funny things to people.

I knew because people in the media get to find out about arrests before charges but can’t necessarily report on it.

So I knew with a view to ‘it’s only a matter of time before everyone else finds out’. What should I have done - called the police and said “I understand you’re investigating this - that’s all I have to say”

Im not saying I’m better. I’m saying I think it’s ghoulish and one-up a ship like to excitedly say “I knew all along!”

Not that I can recall.

How then do you square the assumption (and I don't think anyone questions it!!) that JS was a prolific, evil sex offender - and he was never found guilty in a court of law either???

A child under the age of 18 can consent to sexual activity in England. Argue it all you want. Under 18 = child.

However, if a child under 18 is sexually assaulted or raped, then it becomes a case of BOTH rape and sexual abuse of a minor.

You really need to educate yourself.

Dispatches has not ruined his wife and kids. Russell Brand has done that. If you are going to make weak excuses for him, then you are nearly as bad as he is.

If you know rapists from your college days then you should take that information to the police.

I think you will find Dispatches/The Times/Sunday Times have a plethora of evidence. They have spent years researching this. Of course they aren't altruistic but they will not have left themselves open to legal challenge.

I find this level of ignorance frankly deeply shocking.

I have to say as someone who works in the media I didn’t think it was an Earth shattering piece of investigative journalism. They essentially got some women to speak and a random male comedian no one ever heard of - but nothing in the way of other evidence bar a few out of context text messages.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s NOT easy for a journalist to persuade a victim to speak about their experiences but it was an hour of talking heads and showing old footage. It was good but in my professional opinion, not great. It won’t stick in my mind the way the Weinstein piece did or the various pieces about the Catholic Church

Well I shall go and weep into my pillow then

In fairness tax evasion is not on the same level as rape!

He owned it, apologised and he absolutely does not shy away from talking about it and what a tit he was.

Glass houses my arse

How do we know that comedians have remained silent? Is it likely that some of them spoke to The Times/Dispatches off the record?

Ph Lord with the making things up again.

Who is gaslighting you? I WAS talking about children. But it’s @teddyandgypsy tehory not mine that all fans are to blame for Brand. So why not Saville? Genuine question. His fan base for a long tie was mainly children, who the grew into adults and kept being fans. Are they responsible? @teddyandgypsy wont answer this question. Too busy blaming a load of women on MN for the actions of a sex offender they don’t even know

IIRC conflicting schedules and he didn’t want children.

They were only married for about 5 minutes I think

We mentioned Jonathan Ross upthread and I was interested to observe that his wife was just 18 when he married her. He was 28. She was probably younger when they met.

It will go on as long as due process takes.

You can't simply up and dismiss someone on the basis of allegations. There has to be fairness, an investigation, representations from him. examination of evidence etc and all of this takes time.

Plus while he is holed up the said Priory, he cannot be forced to take part in any investigatory meetings.

Trust me there are plenty of people in publicly-funded positions who have their salary paid in full for years. Like it or not.

A text message admitting non consensual sex + a substantiated trip to a rape crisis center the following day - how much more context do you need?

Russell Brand is not the Catholic Church, so of course it doesn’t have similar impact. It’s relevant because of his impact on a particular culture and working environment, and the wider acceptance of abusive behaviour from men in other industries (most recently medicine). But there may be no criminal charges and he might just carry on broadcasting conspiracy theories (his mainstream career was over anyway).

My god what is this, literally every one being mentioned as some sort of problem with insinuations of being abusers or something.

This is why so many of us baulked at all the sensationalism of the guessing game of names, names being bandied about (and still are).

So what if she was 18?

Ah well then - in your esteemed professional opinion, I guess Brand will be taking Channel 4 and The Times/Sunday Times to the cleaners?

Seeing as the investigative journalism was "not great" and "nothing in the way of other evidence bar a few out of context text messages"...

Any wonder I despair about the standards of journalism...!

Just heard his live tour has been cancelled.

The shit is definitely hitting the fan for him.

On Jimmy Carr Katherine Ryan went out of her way to say how helpful towards and supportive of the up and coming female comics he was. I think she said he was one of the most supportive and requested female comics on shows too.

I'm not referring to tax affairs.

Just heard ‘Alice’s’ audio on Sky News. Does anyone know if this was an actor or her real voice? I know they used an actor’s voice for Alice for Dispatches, but the Sky News bit just said ‘audio’.

Didn't see Sky News. But on the BBC news earlier, they said they used an actor to voice "Alice" on the Woman's Hour interview, parts of which were repeated on the news.

Depends on whether you are in a position of responsibility over that child. Teachers can get done for shagging sixth formers.

Channel 4 said it was an actor’s voice on Woman’s Hour.

Brands current defence is that he's changed, and that he's always been open about his "colourful past" as I think some of the Simps here put it.

So right now he's in effect using his pliant wifey Laura Gallacher and 2 daughters as his shield. Oh the number of former promiscuous priapic men who come over all remorseful the minute they father daughters.

If it turns out he's still been skanking around after shacking up with her (he's into his eastern mysticism which is a haven for messianic narcissists) all bets are off. She could wreak some serious havoc on him