Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

Rigggggghhhh, that's why you had me deleted for using the word arrogant.
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Got it!

Law, yes, but not society. I am free to make my own assessment based on the evidence presented to me. Same applies to businesses and brands - they can choose not to work with people they deem problematic.

What I wouldn’t be allowed to do is restrict his freedom in any way.

But freedom doesn’t mean freedom to make money.

Honestly, it’s shocking how people don’t seem to understand this.

The only place innocent until proven guilty applies is the legal system.

I’m sorry, but this is way over the top. There are unproven allegations in the media all the time. It’s part of a healthy free press. We have contempt of court and libel laws to counterbalance it. If you get this outraged every time something is reported which hasn’t been proved, you must be very busy campaigning and complaining about it. From the killers of Stephen Lawrence (remember that? ‘We believe these men murdered Stephen Lawrence. Let them sue us if we’re wrong’) to dodgy drive-tarmaccers on Rogue Traders.

Believe me, the criminal justice system has a lot of issues, but on the whole it copes just fine with a free press.

It seems to me that women who say they have been raped (the VAST majority of whom don't feel able to report to the police) are largely treated in society as if they are "guilty until proved innocent."

Funny how those who seem to think they're interested in fairness and justice seem to be oblivious to this. Our system is very much weighted in the favour or rapists. Imagine supporting that and not ever questioning it while pontificating about how supposedly moral you are.

I was born in the mid 50s so a teenager in the late 60s/early 70s. It’s true that some girls of my age when I was 15 or 16 were “seeing” older men in their 20s and 30s. It often ended badly for the girl. Looking back, I remember there was disapproval, maybe some salacious gossip, but it wasn’t like people were up in arms or demanding the authorities do something.
But neither was there a sense that it was absolutely fine.
moving forward to the period of RB’s alleged crimes, I noticed there’s been references to “in those days”. Those days were merely ten to twenty years ago. It’s no time at all. RB is still a relatively young man now, and so are his alleged victims. It’s not history, it’s not the 1970s, it’s recent. Standards and norms in the period from 2003-2013 weren’t that different from now. Let’s not pretend this is ancient history. Or make a pretended distance in time any sort of excuse.

Is that all verified?
Can you share a link?

😂😂😂I didn't know you'd been deleted until I saw this.
Wasn't me.

But I guess because you accused me it was me...isn't that your logic??

Funny how you assume those of us who believe due process is essential
have n't been raped??

Not every woman or rape victim thinks the same as you about this. Don't assume they do.

It's actually 3 professional teams that have worked together - see numerous Times Radio clips with those involved and you'll get the the idea. The notion that one rogue individual could unbalance the investigation is not credible.

Of course if you would provide a twitter link we could check for ourselves.

Kirsty Gallacher his sister in law returns to social media

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12540149/amp/Kirtsy-Gallacher-breaks-silence-posts-social-media-time-brother-law-Russell-Brand-accused-rape-sexual-assault-predatory-behaviour.html

RBs friends "rallying round" but. Asking to stay anonymous

I didn't "assume" anything, thanks, Strawberrywasp.

"Those of us who believe in due process"

There has been no one on this thread - or quite likely anywhere else - who does not believe in due process. How have you come up with this absurd division?

Some find the evidence compelling, others don't. Have a look on twitter - it's about a third each way and a third that doesn't know or doesn't care.

It's not a 'trial by media', there is no verdict. Private conversations that go back decades have become public, that's all - except now with a lot of actual evidence to back up what hundreds of people have been saying.

Everything alleged will be admissible in court so it won't upset a fair trial.
Brand banging on about an MSM conspiracy might to some degree.

There has been no one on this thread - or quite likely anywhere else - who does not believe in due process. How have you come up with implausible division?

The pro-Brand lot all talk like they're regurgitating Criminal Minds. Due process, prevail, innocent until proven guilty.

No substance, just rhetoric.

Well they all sound like yanks. We don't talk about "due process" in the UK.

Someone simply coughing up their lines

Well each to their own experience. It is also in mt experience, a reflection of society & what it considers normal & ok at a given time. Look at history it tells us that

Brand was 10 years ago. Not 1960, 1970, 1980, or even 1990.

There have always been creeps. A good family (nothing to do with class) protects their girls. This is nothing to do with class.

I agree with @StrawberryWasp. I don't like the way that the media are behaving in this at all, it feels very wrong prior to any police investigation & now they are going back over video's & scrutinizing him - describing his behaviour as evidence, the truth is, that he was being paid to perform like that. They were all getting rich on his persona, the media & his employers positively encouraged it. It doesn't feel right to go back 20 years & suggest that his behaviour was 'all wrong', I mean either say something at the time as his employer or as the media, don't bring it up 10/20 years later FFS.

I'm not sure what the people who are banging on about "due process" want really. Do you expect newspapers to be gagged and not talk about this? Do you expect women who have been raped or sexually abused to never mention it? If so, don't you think that's a bit ironic given RB and his followers are always going on about freedom of speech and seem to think that's more important than anything else? RB has been happy to lie on social media and has moved from YouTube to Rumble specifically because he has the freedom to say what he wants on there and not worry about being censored for deliberately providing potentially dangerous misinformation. At least the newspapers are only reporting on things which have a lot of evidence which is more than RB can say.

It's all yank stuff. If these lines or thoughts came from real people as opposed to trolls they would use the right language.

They would also know that these women are entitled under the law in this country to complain now.

But this is all drawn from American ideas from Brand's alt right supporters. They don't know what the law permits in England.

Christ alive, are you suggesting that women & girls who are abused are simply just not being looked after by their families? Or worse, that only undeserving, or otherwise marginalised children & women succumb to abuse by men?What world are you living in? I think you're well on the wrong side.

And actually RB has been around more like 20 years.
Yh I think we'll have to disagree.

No at all. I am suggesting that families who accept open relationships between teenagers and older men often have a laissez faire attitude. They don't care very much often. You said this yourself when you said that nobody did much in your case @Messyhair321

Yes absolutely until there is a proper police investigation, if there's evidence & it goes that far they should not be allowed to ramrade lives in this way. Imagine being accused of multiple rape by journalists who, as it happens (one or two at least) are historically personally known to be unreliable.
Innocent until proven guilty & as far as I'm aware there's been no arrests or case brought. Just allegations. I know it's not in agreement with your particular narrative or ideology but you have to allow others to believe what they do.

Yeh you did:

Funny how those who seem to think they're interested in fairness and justice seem to be oblivious to this.

You assumed 'those' interested in fairness and justice are 'oblivious' to how women who have been raped are treated.

Yes I was talking about the general feedback, i mean teachers, other family ( theirs not mine) & the general public weren't interested & it was generally accepted that there was these oddball a bit pervy types that would prey on people. No-one was interested in changing anything. It was considered normal.

@bombastix I wasn't involved with older men but many girls I knew were, & I knew their families, they all cared for them. Like I said, they considered it ok because the older lads were seen as more responsible, had jobs etc.