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To be absolutely disgusted by this?

309 replies

sugarrosepetal · 12/06/2023 17:51

I'm so angry. I get that people want to have equal rights but this is not equality. It is the eradication of the rights of "women" in order to appease the minority.

To be absolutely disgusted by this?
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EdithStourton · 12/06/2023 18:39

monsteramunch · 12/06/2023 18:35

@artichikeheart

The definition of lesbian has been updated to include those who are non binary

Why are non-men specifically referred to but not non-women?

Yeah, I'm wondering that too....
But maybe I'm just not capable of 'critical thought'.😢

Betsybee88 · 12/06/2023 18:39

YANBU, the first thing that came to mind was -OfFred.
Very handmaiden.

HareRaising · 12/06/2023 18:41

Babymamaroon · 12/06/2023 18:39

Disgusting is right.

We are WOMEN.

And so are blokes now. We no longer have a word for ourselves.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 12/06/2023 18:42

Well doesn't this just blow "TWAW" to smithereens? Because if TWAW then what is a non-man? If TWAW and lesbians are not women then TW can't be lesbians (which we already knew but still this really brings home that the whole erasure of women as a class was never about what it was claimed to be about). Hoisted by their own petard.
Men and non-men.
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I know all of us are fucked at the moment but I especially feel for women in academia having to be hit in the face with this bullshit nonstop and effectively being forced to be the bellwethers or get cancelled.

loveandpoprockz · 12/06/2023 18:44

Lacucuracha · 12/06/2023 18:01

Why isn’t a gay man a non-woman?

Because it misogynistic bullshit

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 12/06/2023 18:44

WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WE ARE WOMEN.

CasperGutman · 12/06/2023 18:47

That's ridiculous. Why can they say "man" but not "woman"? For that matter, why can they say "non-man" but not "woman"? Why are men not "non-women"?

What if I identify as a man but also consider myself to be a lesbian. I'm being excluded and discriminated against!

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 12/06/2023 18:47

I'm fuming. Non-men? I'm a woman!

CasperGutman · 12/06/2023 18:48

And why can't non-binary people be gay?

monsteramunch · 12/06/2023 18:49

@artichikeheart

Why are non-men specifically referred to but not non-women? Can you see why this is a problematic choice?

Pansypotter123 · 12/06/2023 18:49

Shaking my head in despair 😞

Stickmansmum · 12/06/2023 18:49

That’s how I took it. And also that by saying non man, they were actually acknowledging all the modern interpretation of women as separate to biologically born women (something that you very same people are so desperate to do) so ironically it actually works better for distinguishing woman from trans woman and non binary women etc. You have to laugh no? 😂

Theseventhmagpie · 12/06/2023 18:50

This insanity has to end.
I’m ready to march (and have never protested about anything before).

CasperGutman · 12/06/2023 18:51

For that matter, why do non-binary people have to be "non-men" any more than they are "non-women"? I thought the whole point of being non-binary was that you were not defined by traditional gender roles linked to biological sex, so why does being non-binary have to mean you're "not a man". A non-binary person might well want to be a man, at least to some extent or some of the time, just as much as they want to not be a man in other respects.

Stickmansmum · 12/06/2023 18:51

Thought I had quoted Artichikeheart there before commenting.

AndDoTheTangoInTheNightTAAAAAANGOOO · 12/06/2023 18:52

So why is a man not a "non-woman" 🤣. We may as well just have one sex, non-sex so no one is upset, i mean why should we just erase women, true equality we'd erase all sex/gender labels, there'd be no such thing as being gay. I actually think the world has gone mad, I worry for my children.

Twatalert · 12/06/2023 18:54

Can someone answer why these things only ever are aimed at women and not at men? Surely there are just as many women (gender assigned at birth) that identify as men/trans? Genuine question!

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/06/2023 18:55

Betsybee88 · 12/06/2023 18:39

YANBU, the first thing that came to mind was -OfFred.
Very handmaiden.

We are all now OfMen

Beelezebub · 12/06/2023 18:55

Oh, ffs, they can fuck off to the far side of Fuck and just keep going.

SaturdayNightHayFevers · 12/06/2023 18:55

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DerekFaker · 12/06/2023 18:57

artichikeheart · 12/06/2023 18:30

It’s there in the image

The definition of lesbian has been updated to include those who are non binary

Not that the definition of a woman has been updated

Christ on a bike

Oh that's alright then. I expect actual lesbians are absolutely thrilled about that.

Now a lesbian can be a biological woman OR biological man. Yay! Progress!

TheDogsMother · 12/06/2023 18:57

This is madness ! We can't even have our own sex any more without it being erased. Why isn't it non-women ? Are trans women now trans non-women who are, some cases, actually men ? WTAF.

planthelpadvice · 12/06/2023 18:58

Stickmansmum · 12/06/2023 18:49

That’s how I took it. And also that by saying non man, they were actually acknowledging all the modern interpretation of women as separate to biologically born women (something that you very same people are so desperate to do) so ironically it actually works better for distinguishing woman from trans woman and non binary women etc. You have to laugh no? 😂

Hmm I do see where you're coming from here, but with this proposition everything that isn't a man, is a non-man. So there a men, and then literally everything else - animal, mineral, vegetable etc - you really do have to laugh at that, no? 😂

Lacucuracha · 12/06/2023 18:59

loveandpoprockz · 12/06/2023 18:44

Because it misogynistic bullshit

But what is their justification?

Why can a gay man be attracted to other men but a lesbian can’t be attracted to other women? Why hasn’t the definition of gay man been updated to include non-binary people?