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To think the Independent’s cartoon of Nicola Sturgeon is shameful, misogynistic and dangerous

83 replies

claremmm · 17/02/2023 15:42

Just saw horrible cartoon from the Independent with decapitated Nicola sturgeon playing the bagpipes. In the light of death threats to female politicians (including Nicola) I don’t know how this kind of inflammatory media is allowed. It’s really not funny.

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BornFreeButinChains · 17/02/2023 15:55

I don't like her and yes that is too much

x2boys · 17/02/2023 16:01

I haven't seen it and I'm no fan ,but that sounds awful.

SoupDragon · 17/02/2023 16:04

It sounds like it's in bad taste and ill thought out but why is it misogynistic? They would have done similar for any departing male leader wouldn't they?

CherLloydbyCherLloyd · 17/02/2023 16:06

I’m Scottish, I’m not a fan of hers, and I think it’s really mean and not appropriate, however I also support the right to free press and I believe the intention was to draw comparisons to Wallace (ie Scottish freedom fighter who “died” for their cause) - she’s still standing wearing traditional Scots dress; she’s still fighting for her country from beyond her “political” grave.

I fail to see how it is at all misogynistic just because she happens to be a woman.

derxa · 17/02/2023 16:21

Are you angry about the cartoon of Priti Patel in the Guardian which shows her as a cow?

Callipygion · 17/02/2023 16:39

derxa · 17/02/2023 16:21

Are you angry about the cartoon of Priti Patel in the Guardian which shows her as a cow?

I haven’t seen it(nor the Nicola Sturgeon one) but I would be angry - on behalf of the cow.

derxa · 17/02/2023 17:16

Callipygion · 17/02/2023 16:39

I haven’t seen it(nor the Nicola Sturgeon one) but I would be angry - on behalf of the cow.

Cows are sacred in the Hindu religion.

Maximojo · 17/02/2023 17:35

It is simply in poor taste and not particularly clever. I take it the yellow clad piper symbolises the SNP? I therefore don't see it as misogynistic as it portrays the SNP as decapitated, not Sturgeon.

LlynTegid · 17/02/2023 17:39

@derxa I think it is unfair to cows to compare them to Priti Patel.

Agree with the OP that the cartoon is wrong. Two MPs have been murdered in recent years. I did not like the comparison of Nicola Sturgeon to the character played by Janette Tough, this is far worse.

Chevyimpala67 · 17/02/2023 17:51

derxa · 17/02/2023 16:21

Are you angry about the cartoon of Priti Patel in the Guardian which shows her as a cow?

If I were a bovine I would be incensed to be compared to Patel

claremmm · 17/02/2023 17:51

I think there is a different tone when talking about female politicians. Misogyny is undoubtedly a factor.

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Michellexxx · 17/02/2023 17:56

I don’t really see how it’s misogynistic . I think pointing to anything that some people might find offensive as misogynistic, if it happens to be a woman, gives weight to the ‘extreme feminism’ argument.

derxa · 17/02/2023 18:02

LlynTegid · 17/02/2023 17:39

@derxa I think it is unfair to cows to compare them to Priti Patel.

Agree with the OP that the cartoon is wrong. Two MPs have been murdered in recent years. I did not like the comparison of Nicola Sturgeon to the character played by Janette Tough, this is far worse.

So it's alright to draw a misogynistic and culturally offensive cartoon of a female politician that you dislike. Having said that, I'm crying tears of joy over Sturgeon's demise. She's a right numpty and has done a number on the English media. She's done far more damage than Patel ever could.

FrippEnos · 17/02/2023 18:05

what are your feelings on kathy griffin doing the photo shoot with trump's decapitated head?

derxa · 17/02/2023 18:08

I did not like the comparison of Nicola Sturgeon to the character played by Janette Tough, this is far worse. Ha ha ha ha!

LakeTiticaca · 17/02/2023 18:26

derxa · 17/02/2023 18:08

I did not like the comparison of Nicola Sturgeon to the character played by Janette Tough, this is far worse. Ha ha ha ha!

A little bit unfair towards Janette Tough I would say

Tratjymp · 17/02/2023 18:26

Visible here, if it works.

I prefer funny ones.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/nicola-sturgeon-uk-scotland-independence-b2282874.html

picklemewalnuts · 17/02/2023 18:34

I would say it invites violence, rather portrays the SNP as headless/leaderless.

Generally I'm more in favour of freedom to offend rather than against.

It doesn't look to me like a call to violence at all, let alone to violence against women and girls.

NotDavidTennant · 17/02/2023 18:37

It's in bad taste but I don't see how it's mysogynistic.

YouSetTheTone · 17/02/2023 18:47

If Nicola Sturgeon herself finds this upsetting and offensive then I hope she has a good hard think about why she said nothing when SNP members recently stood in front of a placard calling for TERFS to be decapitated (this placard also had a guillotine on it for effect).

MarshaMelrose · 17/02/2023 18:50

Why is it misogynistic? Its a political cartoon and she's a politician. If you say it invites violence against politicians, male mps have died as well. But it's just a political commentary. I don't find it funny but I hate the idea that everything has to be closed down because a few people are always looking for ways to be offended.

SherbetDips · 17/02/2023 18:51

Sooo it’s ok for cartoons mocking boris but not Nicola?

I think it’s hilarious she’s a vile women and thank god she’s gone,

MysteryBelle · 17/02/2023 18:57

FrippEnos · 17/02/2023 18:05

what are your feelings on kathy griffin doing the photo shoot with trump's decapitated head?

This.

AlmostSummer21 · 17/02/2023 18:59

derxa · 17/02/2023 16:21

Are you angry about the cartoon of Priti Patel in the Guardian which shows her as a cow?

Haven't seen it, but I'm offended!

poor cows! They don't deserve that

MarshaBradyo · 17/02/2023 19:02

I object to these kind of cartoons

Someone linked to similar image with Liz Truss including violence when she left

It’s really repellant and it angers me our dds might take political careers or any career against this shite

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