To think the Independent’s cartoon of Nicola Sturgeon is shameful, misogynistic and dangerous

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Just saw horrible cartoon from the Independent with decapitated Nicola sturgeon playing the bagpipes. In the light of death threats to female politicians (including Nicola) I don’t know how this kind of inflammatory media is allowed. It’s really not funny.

Did I say that there weren't? I said I didn't remember. And genuinely didn't. And in fact I didn't happen to see those.

I don't particularly like them/find them "hilarious" for anyone but I believe in free press and only think there's an issue if there is incitement to violence . Which would probably need to be interpreted in a court of law.

I wouldn't call the drowning one violent. But grotesque l? Yes. But maybe not the way you think

I admit I didn’t know this guy’s work and seeing many does fit. Not sure if I actually like them but it’s probably irrelevant, they are well drawn though

I should have looked up the cartoon as I was still annoyed re a rape type image on here that did get deleted

William Wallace was hung, drawn and quartered not beheaded. He most certainly did not dress like the figure in the cartoon. The figure represents the SNP/independence movement which has , literally, lost its head - Sturgeon.

... or you’re projecting misogyny onto something where they’re is no misogyny? It’s not funny. it’s quite repugnant. But how is it in any way misogynistic? Because you want it to be viewed that way? Because it fits your world view? Or because of something specific in the picture?

I'm not seeing an issue. It's a clear metaphor for independence losing its figurehead.

I’m more offended by the escaping hot air coming out of the bagpipe. 😆
Clearly a metaphor for what she was all about in the eyes of cartoonist.

Some people are just looking to be offended.

This particular artist has drawn Sturgeon in the same setting/backdrop, same outfit, blowing hard on her bagpipes (back in November) so this current cartoon ties in with the previous image too... not that you'd know that if you don't follow political cartoonists or read the Independent of course.

Sorry @tobee I misread that, previous posters were implying that the level of violence was directly linked to the fact Sturgeon is a woman... rather than it being a pretty level playing field of violence and grotesque imagery, aimed at politicians in general!

Well, if William Wallace was a member of his local Pipe Band then it looks like an accurate portrayal, right enough.

So true. Those are far more offensive than a political cartoon.

Charlie Hebdo? We used to have Punch.

I suspect this is a none-too subtle response to that well-publicised picture of the two Scottish politicians, Kirsten Oswald and Kaukab Stewart, standing under a banner emblazoned with a guillotine and the slogan ‘Decapitate Terfs’.

That image appalled me. It's now being investigated by the police and rightly so.

I'm of the mind that anyone disgusted by this image should find this one no less unacceptable. Even if it did refer to the disempowerment of the SNP, it was still Sturgeon it depicted. And as far as this particular issue is concerned, we are in the middle of an frighteningly incendiary political climate and it only takes one maniac to interpret this kind of thing as incitement.

Sadly, there are a lot of them out there. But whilst undeniably the violent, threatening rhetoric seems to be emanating from only one direction, this kind of thing doesn't help IMO.

I get that they're sort of representing the loss of the figurehead of the independence movement.

But...women are attacked and killed daily by men, and I don't think you can publish something like this and pretend you don't know anything about the climate of violence women exist in.

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The Indy’s got for form for it.

www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/scottish-independence-snp-sturgeon-salmond-b1808183.html

Yes we used to have Punch, but we live in a world of overly sensitive souls and it is inappropriate these days to lambast or jeer those so old opposing political views or display their embarrassing buffoonery in public.

It a world of snowflakes done mad.
Let us hope we never need to defend our nation.

I don't think it's a very good cartoon- full of cliches about Scotland: tartan, kilt, bagpipes, hills and so on. Hackneyed ideas and a not very clever image.

The Ibdependent is obsessed with cutting her head off. And kilts.
Alex Salmond in a kilt. Ohh, I think I'm going blind.

I miss Wee Eck

Being hung, drawn and quartered involved beheading.

Regardless of her gender, Sturgeon is an hugely divisive & polarising politician, as she herself acknowledged in her press conference this week. Boris Johnson is the same, and he has been depicted in many grotesque cartoons. If he’s fair game, so is she.

Is that what he calls it? You might be able to see it on that photo! 😉

😂😂

I don't think it's a very good cartoon- full of cliches about Scotland: tartan, kilt, bagpipes, hills and so on. Hackneyed ideas and a not very clever image

It's meant to be like that- part of the point it's making about what independence means.