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Suicide because of Benefits Being Stopped

235 replies

StridTheKiller · 26/12/2022 13:58

Another casualty of our brutal benefits system. RIP.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dad-who-took-life-days-28813953

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WhoWants2Know · 26/12/2022 14:07

That happened several years ago

WeDoNotTalktoPennilynLott · 26/12/2022 14:08

I saw this, wondered why a story from 2018 is still being shared

Dotjones · 26/12/2022 14:11

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Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

emotionalmotionsicknesss · 26/12/2022 14:16

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Yeah, you’re seriously missing the point.

antelopevalley · 26/12/2022 14:16

@Cuppasoupmonster That is not true. Our benefits system is a disgrace.

Hobbi · 26/12/2022 14:17

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

Utterly untrue.

bagthoughts · 26/12/2022 14:17

antelopevalley · 26/12/2022 14:16

@Cuppasoupmonster That is not true. Our benefits system is a disgrace.

How?

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:18

antelopevalley · 26/12/2022 14:16

@Cuppasoupmonster That is not true. Our benefits system is a disgrace.

Compared to where?

MandyMotherOfBrian · 26/12/2022 14:19

Sadly OP, the first four answers on your thread are a perfect illustration of why this kind of shit keeps happening to people and there are plenty in this country totally prepared to let it keep happening.

ThreeblackCats · 26/12/2022 14:19

If he was suicidal, it wasn’t the fault of the benefits system. if he wasn’t suicidal, a “brutal” benefits system could not make him hang himself.

Suicidal people will always have a reason.

Its sad, but nobody else is to blame for this. I speak as someone who moved across the country for a man, ended up unemployed and was ultimately left to starve. I didn’t hang myself because I’m not mentally vulnerable.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 26/12/2022 14:22

WeDoNotTalktoPennilynLott · 26/12/2022 14:08

I saw this, wondered why a story from 2018 is still being shared

It isn’t. Mr Dooley took his life in 2018. The story relates to now because his daughter has recently met with the Shadow Home Secretary to lobby for changes to the system.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 26/12/2022 14:47

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You're really going to be pedantic on a post about suicide?

Onnabugeisha · 26/12/2022 14:53

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

🤣🤣 Not if you’re disabled. This is an opinion shared by the United Nations by the way which has repeatedly condemned the U.K. governments violation of the human rights of disabled people since 2010.

Onnabugeisha · 26/12/2022 14:55

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I thought it was “hanged” if an executioner did it to a person, but “hung” if you did it to yourself.

Onnabugeisha · 26/12/2022 14:57

ThreeblackCats · 26/12/2022 14:19

If he was suicidal, it wasn’t the fault of the benefits system. if he wasn’t suicidal, a “brutal” benefits system could not make him hang himself.

Suicidal people will always have a reason.

Its sad, but nobody else is to blame for this. I speak as someone who moved across the country for a man, ended up unemployed and was ultimately left to starve. I didn’t hang myself because I’m not mentally vulnerable.

I disagree and you wouldn’t know because unemployment benefits are MUCH easier to claim than disability benefits.

Letitrainletitrainletitrain · 26/12/2022 15:00

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:18

Compared to where?

Why do we need to compare it to any other country?

Surely it's enough for us to look at our own country and decide what's good enough?

MintJulia · 26/12/2022 15:01

It doesn't say why his benefits were stopped so we can't tell if it was unfair or not.

Without more information, about his mental health, the background of the decision, etc it's not really something anyone can judge..

Emmamoo89 · 26/12/2022 15:03

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

Our benefit system is shit

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/12/2022 15:04

MintJulia · 26/12/2022 15:01

It doesn't say why his benefits were stopped so we can't tell if it was unfair or not.

Without more information, about his mental health, the background of the decision, etc it's not really something anyone can judge..

I would think unfair based on him ailments.

@Onnabugeisha Also hanged.

Thedogscollar · 26/12/2022 15:06

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Seriously inappropriate.

PurpleButterflyWings · 26/12/2022 15:08

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

Biscuit

Try being someone FIGHTING tooth and nail and having your disability and health condition questioned, and have a bunch of witless fuckers who have NO medical experience 'assessing' you and deciding if your disability is worthy enough of receiving state benefits.

OR having your jobseekers benefit STOPPED because you were 30 seconds late for your appointment, and are then expected to live on fresh air.

The TORY benefits system IS cruel and unjust, and you're fucking deluded if you claim otherwise. And don't bother responding to this post. I won't be talking to again on this thread. CBA with you.

@Dotjones Are you fucking serious?! Hmm

SadOrWickedFairy · 26/12/2022 15:12

Mr Dooley continued to receive benefits during his appeal

That's from the DWP spokesperson but the article also says this:

However, Kevin's appeal was refused and his family began making preparations to go to a tribunal to appeal the decision.

Doesn't make it clear whether or not he was receiving benefits and which ones and during which part of the appeal process.

Sounds like an overly complicated system.

JocelynBurnell · 26/12/2022 15:13

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

Compared to other western countries, our benefit system is very poor.

@Cuppasoupmonster obviously considers the UK a third-world country.

Reugny · 26/12/2022 15:15

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/12/2022 14:14

Our benefits system is very generous compared to other countries. I’m not sure of the ins and outs of this sad case but the system isn’t ‘brutal’.

Says someone who has never lived on them.

Loads of people got a shock during Covid when they had to apply and live on them.

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