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I reported an aggressive Jehovahs Witness to the police….. AIBU?

173 replies

MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/07/2022 09:04

Long story short, my DP died in January after a three week illness - turns out his brain bleeds were caused by almost symptomless oesophageal cancer that had metastised to his lungs, liver and brain.

I’m still reeling but have no choice than to continue the retail business we started together to make ends meet - he had his own niche career and was well known locally- I have had a lot of support and although I feel as if life is utterly pointless I have family and friends who have also suffered so I try not to pile on the agony and pretend I’m more ok than I am (I’d love grief counselling but working full time makes it tricky).

My business is an alternative Gothic / witchy shop with lifestyle accessories because that was our lifestyle together.

Recently a young female Jehovah’s Witness - 25 - who was on our friends list on FB but who I don’t believe we ever met personally has kicked off because she claims we are Satanists. she doesn’t want to see Goth stuff on her feed and it’s wrong to promote our “Satanic beliefs” on the internet.

Actually we’re not Satanists (can’t believe I’m having to say that) and the social media I do is to promote our stock…..

She put up a comment on a business post that included the gem that God took my DP to punish him for his unGodly life, then it vanished before I could respond. So I didn’t do anything except have a vague moan, not naming her, on my personal feed.

She then started messaging me more of the same , told me I was possessed by the devil when I reacted very angrily (yeah, did get a bit feisty) and stupidly I engaged enough for her to tell me I’m going to hell, and I should hold my loved ones closer as their days would be numbered as God will punish me for my lifestyle and also that I will lose my business and everything cos…, God.

I’m a pretty tolerant person, but I saw red when she started this and did call her out publicly - my admittedly profane post was removed and I got a 24 hour ban.

I reported her to the police who may or may not make contact, but Victim support have been in touch, but what I really want is someone to have a word with her because:

if I was a different person I might have done something stupid - I’m angry and know everything she is spouting is offensive bollocks, but what if she targeted someone less robust? She claims (at the ripe old age of 25) to have saved 25 people from demonic possession….. is she targeting vulnerable people?

She sounds unhinged and may benefit from some intervention.

I know on one level I should not have engaged (over twice her age) but I don’t always have the capacity to think rationally especially around the subject of my DPs death, and implied “threats” to my future and the well-being of my family absolutely pushed my buttons.

The police have not yet made contact though I have given them my movements for three days as requested or they might phone?

AIBU?

Or am I just as bad as her?

OP posts:
disappear · 22/07/2022 10:34

Unfortunately, I do not think complaining to the JWs will get you anywhere. They would agree with her.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/07/2022 10:37

this is what satanists preach if anyone is wondering

That's the Satanic temple. They aren't Satanists, they just claim religious tax exemption in the US through an extended joke about being Satanists.

satanists don’t even worship satan.

Lavayan Satanists like the Church of Satan don't. Theistic Satanists do.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

it's disturbing to see Satanists described as "the good guys". Read a little further and you'll discover that the window dressing is a hook to draw in the hugely naive and is actually a cover for something very different

Eh? Are you saying the Satanic Temple and The Church of Satan are secretly devil worshipers? If so they have the worst cover of all time.

Autumnalblooms · 22/07/2022 10:39

Oh my lovely I am so sorry for your loss 💐.I love anything paranormal /Whitchy and my one daughter loves anything gothic and I do .Does it make us stantanists absolutely not. She sounds like she needs help and you did the right thing. If you sell online too lovely I would 100% buy off you. Your shop sounds amazing ❤

CrappyNHappy · 22/07/2022 10:41

I'm so sorry for your loss. No you aren't as bad as her. You are not bad at all. It's good you reported her so hopefully she won't do this to anyone else.

Blackmoggy · 22/07/2022 10:41

MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/07/2022 09:04

Long story short, my DP died in January after a three week illness - turns out his brain bleeds were caused by almost symptomless oesophageal cancer that had metastised to his lungs, liver and brain.

I’m still reeling but have no choice than to continue the retail business we started together to make ends meet - he had his own niche career and was well known locally- I have had a lot of support and although I feel as if life is utterly pointless I have family and friends who have also suffered so I try not to pile on the agony and pretend I’m more ok than I am (I’d love grief counselling but working full time makes it tricky).

My business is an alternative Gothic / witchy shop with lifestyle accessories because that was our lifestyle together.

Recently a young female Jehovah’s Witness - 25 - who was on our friends list on FB but who I don’t believe we ever met personally has kicked off because she claims we are Satanists. she doesn’t want to see Goth stuff on her feed and it’s wrong to promote our “Satanic beliefs” on the internet.

Actually we’re not Satanists (can’t believe I’m having to say that) and the social media I do is to promote our stock…..

She put up a comment on a business post that included the gem that God took my DP to punish him for his unGodly life, then it vanished before I could respond. So I didn’t do anything except have a vague moan, not naming her, on my personal feed.

She then started messaging me more of the same , told me I was possessed by the devil when I reacted very angrily (yeah, did get a bit feisty) and stupidly I engaged enough for her to tell me I’m going to hell, and I should hold my loved ones closer as their days would be numbered as God will punish me for my lifestyle and also that I will lose my business and everything cos…, God.

I’m a pretty tolerant person, but I saw red when she started this and did call her out publicly - my admittedly profane post was removed and I got a 24 hour ban.

I reported her to the police who may or may not make contact, but Victim support have been in touch, but what I really want is someone to have a word with her because:

if I was a different person I might have done something stupid - I’m angry and know everything she is spouting is offensive bollocks, but what if she targeted someone less robust? She claims (at the ripe old age of 25) to have saved 25 people from demonic possession….. is she targeting vulnerable people?

She sounds unhinged and may benefit from some intervention.

I know on one level I should not have engaged (over twice her age) but I don’t always have the capacity to think rationally especially around the subject of my DPs death, and implied “threats” to my future and the well-being of my family absolutely pushed my buttons.

The police have not yet made contact though I have given them my movements for three days as requested or they might phone?

AIBU?

Or am I just as bad as her?

Tell her you've put an old Irish curse on her then block the stupid bitch.

Xxxx 💐

Trinity65 · 22/07/2022 10:43

Soubriquet · 22/07/2022 09:14

this is what satanists preach if anyone is wondering

Wow
I had no idea that they were actually people who do Good .

Thanks for that link Interesting read.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/07/2022 10:44

Are you saying the Satanic Temple and The Church of Satan are secretly devil worshipers?

No, if you read my post again I was referring to "satanists" overall

It may well be that the Florida bunch are just a naive group with a rather silly name, but the danger lies in them serving as a recruitment opportunity for something rather worse

Autumnalblooms · 22/07/2022 10:47

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I am a hard person to shock but every now and again something comes along to shock me and here it is.Humans well most have an emotion called empathy it is in the dictionary it will explain what it means because you seem to be lacking this. What you posted what really nasty and hurtful and it would be nice if you were sorry enough to come back and apologise to the op because you really should .

Italiangreyhound · 22/07/2022 10:48

I'm so sorry for your loss.

She is not your problem, if anyone ends up having a word with her or whatever, that's fine but it is not your problem to sort.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/07/2022 10:53

No, if you read my post again I was referring to "satanists" overall

So who do you mean? Those are the only two Satanic churches and that's who the PPs you responded to were talking about.

It may well be that the Florida bunch are just a naive group with a rather silly name

Do you mean the Satanic Temple? They are having a rally in Florida about prayer in schools but are international with a headquarters in Salem. It's really an Atheistic charitable organizations.

Therealjudgejudy · 22/07/2022 10:53

Why didn't you just block her?

Her behaviour was appalling. Yours was pretty bad aswell though. Two wrongs don't make a right.

CallOnMe · 22/07/2022 10:58

I am a hard person to shock but every now and again something comes along to shock me and here it is.Humans well most have an emotion called empathy it is in the dictionary it will explain what it means because you seem to be lacking this. What you posted what really nasty and hurtful and it would be nice if you were sorry enough to come back and apologise to the op because you really should

I’m not saying the other women isn’t vile because she is no question, regardless of her obvious MH issues.

But OP didn’t block her and admitted that she put such a profane post that she actually got banned for 24 hours.

You can call someone out without being profane and OP has not said what she has put but if it’s bad enough to get banned then they’re both verging on religious hate crimes.

There are always keyboard warriors. Just look on most threads MN fortunately MNHQ will ban them for us.

But calling the police is just wasting their time when all OP has to do is block her which is what they’d they’d tell her to her anyway.

Blossomtoes · 22/07/2022 11:00

PrivateHall · 22/07/2022 09:54

OP I personally think you should block her, she could message you more poison at anytime. You don't need that in your life. Block her and try and move on from the whole disgusting thing. I don't see the point in 'reporting' her to JW as surely they will just be all 'nice one girl' to her? This is how they have taught her to behave sadly.

No, it really isn’t. The fact that she’s a Jehovah’s Witness is a red herring. The issue is that she’s a complete nutter. I was brought up as a JW and, while I don’t subscribe to their beliefs (which her posts don’t reflect), they’re basically decent people who are misguided.

I’m so sorry this has happened to you @MistressoftheDarkSide. In my experience her congregation would be appalled by her behaviour and would want to address it. All congregations are linked so if you write to one, they’ll do the rest.

goldfinchonthelawn · 22/07/2022 11:00

First, I'm so sorry about your husband. I think, to some extent, all bad behaviour should be forgiven in early stages of grief, so you getting justifably angry at her repulsive suggestions is fine.

But... just block her. Unfriend her, or whatever you need to do to ensure she has no access to any of your social media feeds. If she turns up at your shop, send her away and tell her not to return.

And please make time for grief counselling. Even if it means shutting up shop for half a day. long term, it will serve you better than staggering on 24/7 without support.

crwnhgow · 22/07/2022 11:01

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/07/2022 10:44

Are you saying the Satanic Temple and The Church of Satan are secretly devil worshipers?

No, if you read my post again I was referring to "satanists" overall

It may well be that the Florida bunch are just a naive group with a rather silly name, but the danger lies in them serving as a recruitment opportunity for something rather worse

Like what? I know people who describe themselves as Satanists, including those who do believe in a literal deity. None of them are as bad as the JW described in the OP.

Elphame · 22/07/2022 11:02

They do definitely target vulnerable people. They hounded my late FiL when he was widowed until the poor man was afraid to open his own front door or visit the local corner shop.

I complained to the police who were actually very helpful and also to the local Kingdom Hall and the harassment stopped.

Horrible cult.

marrymeadam · 22/07/2022 11:03

@CallOnMe I got a fb ban for 3 days for saying that the bitch who bullied me and made me suicidal should fuck off (not to her, on a private group). They ban people for all sorts of stupid reasons.

deedledeedledum · 22/07/2022 11:03

Soubriquet · 22/07/2022 09:14

this is what satanists preach if anyone is wondering

Your link gives examples of what Satanist's have involved themselves with but not what they preach or believe. I'm finding it hard to find what satanist believe. There seem to be different types of satanist

MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/07/2022 11:08

Just to be clear, as I’m taking on board all opinions, my post did not mention anything about her religion- I called her a few choice names.

I have spoken to an elder in the last half hour at a local Kingdom Hall - not one of his flock but he was sympathetic if reserved…. At least they are aware that the tactics of someone claiming to be of their faith are potentially damaging to themselves.

I’ve got it out of my system to a degree now, so many thanks for your support and advice…. You’re a grand lot ❤️

OP posts:
RaggedBlousedPhilanthropist · 22/07/2022 11:09

I’m sure you haven’t taken what this crazy person says to heart, but please be assured that aside from her nuttyJW colleagues, there is not a single mainstream religion out there who would preach that early death is a punishment from God. If it was, how would that explain some Nazis and paedophiles living into their 90s or beyond while innocent children die of cancer?

MyneighbourisTotoro · 22/07/2022 11:12

@deedledeedledum the group that I know of is primarily made up of atheists and they follow the satanic bible which is essentially about putting yourself first, indulging in self gratification etc. i don’t know much about it though but it’s not about worshipping the devil, more about worshipping yourself.

There will be others who call themselves Satanists who are unhinged and say that they follow Satan etc and they may partake in odd behaviour/ritual as but then I’d put them in the same category as any extremists.

Blossomtoes · 22/07/2022 11:12

Good news @MistressoftheDarkSide. I imagine the elder is very concerned about the reputational damage this woman is causing.

Cyclebabble · 22/07/2022 11:13

Block unfriend and do not make contact. A lot of cults including JWs will use times of significant stress such as the loss of a relative as a way in. This is quite cynical and is done under the guise of supporting you- as you can see OP it does anything but support. Never engage a cultist in a discussion. Just politely say no thanks immediately close the door, put the phone down or block on social media.

Useyourfork · 22/07/2022 11:14

Sorry off topic but this is ridiculous. I just clicked on the bit that says ‘ sell your soul and get rich’ and they basically say they don’t deal with that. They can’t be real satanists ???

Useyourfork · 22/07/2022 11:16

pointythings · 22/07/2022 09:46

@Staffy1 here you go

These people are the good guys.

Sorry, reply was to pointythings link. 😊