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Michael Jackson, veto?

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InkyPinkyPonky95 · 02/01/2021 21:56

It's up to you to decide whether you think MJ is a pedo or not, everyone is entitled to come to their own conclusion... but I think he was guilty and it's kind of ruined his music for me.

I won't storm out of a restaurant if one of his songs comes on! but I won't play his music myself because I can't separate his music from how disgusted I am by him.

That being said, for those that do believe he is guilty do you now veto playing his music? Has it ruined his music for you too? Or have you found a way to compartmentalise your feelings about it?

Side note: I understand not everyone thinks he's guilty, that's fine! Completely up to you to decide what you think. Not here to judge, just to hear other people's feelings.

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SausagePourHomme · 02/01/2021 22:00

Its a personal decision. But i am with you.

Kljnmw3459 · 02/01/2021 22:01

I feel the same as you OP. He wasn't found guilty by a court of law but his behaviour with children was creepy enough. I don't listen to his music anymore and will turn the radio off if his song comes on but I'm also aware that plenty of other people still enjoy his songs. I won't hold it against anyone, everyone can decide for themselves.

There are of course other problematic artists as well so MJ isn't unique in that regard.

Janonomouse · 02/01/2021 22:03

Guilty, never liked his music anyway but raise an eyebrow when I hear it played.

grassisjeweled · 02/01/2021 22:05

I still play his music

EwwwwDavid · 02/01/2021 22:06

I'm the same. Still have some of his songs on my playlists and I always skip them!

RozHuntleysStump · 02/01/2021 22:08

I still play his music.

pictish · 02/01/2021 22:09

Wasn’t a fan in the first place but I certainly can’t hear his grunts and squeaks now, the revolting thing. Straight for the off button.

TillysMum02 · 02/01/2021 22:10

@InkyPinkyPonky95

It's up to you to decide whether you think MJ is a pedo or not, everyone is entitled to come to their own conclusion... but I think he was guilty and it's kind of ruined his music for me.

I won't storm out of a restaurant if one of his songs comes on! but I won't play his music myself because I can't separate his music from how disgusted I am by him.

That being said, for those that do believe he is guilty do you now veto playing his music? Has it ruined his music for you too? Or have you found a way to compartmentalise your feelings about it?

Side note: I understand not everyone thinks he's guilty, that's fine! Completely up to you to decide what you think. Not here to judge, just to hear other people's feelings.

well whose music DO you play?
Justcallmebebes · 02/01/2021 22:15

He was weird but his music is brilliant. He was never convicted but still v v dodgy

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InkyPinkyPonky95 · 02/01/2021 22:17

@TillysMum02 ... There are many many many many other artists ... you can't seriously be asking me to write you a list?

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IgiveupallthenamesIwantedareg0 · 02/01/2021 22:19

This is just another thread about eradicating / re-writing history. pulling down statues, condemning what has happened in the past - we can learn a lot from history where we decide to base our - personal - current judgements - positive or negative. Have you - OP - looked at his upbringing? A person developes within the culture he is brought up in.

Theunamedcat · 02/01/2021 22:20

I know where your coming from I listen to a couple now and then when I'm feeling particularly nostalgic but its spoiled for me now

Grapewrath · 02/01/2021 22:22

I won’t listen to MJ anymore. The music gives me the creeps these days.

Lookslikerainted · 02/01/2021 22:23

I won’t storm out if a restaurant like you but I will and do walk off the dance floor, I change the radio station and don’t play his music.

covidaintacrime · 02/01/2021 22:24

I play his music sometimes. I used to be firmly in the camp of "never listening to artists who have done horrible things" but I think new information comes to light about people all the time and it's very disappointing. I tend to just separate art from the artist, and treat it as a separate thing.

I know that's indirectly supporting them (which I feel guilty about) but I also like to think it's also supporting producers / writers / band members etc who aren't shitty people.

Starlightstarbright1 · 02/01/2021 22:24

Yes. I find it uncomfortable listening now.

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InkyPinkyPonky95 · 02/01/2021 22:28

@IgiveupallthenamesIwantedareg0

This is just another thread about eradicating / re-writing history. pulling down statues, condemning what has happened in the past - we can learn a lot from history where we decide to base our - personal - current judgements - positive or negative. Have you - OP - looked at his upbringing? A person developes within the culture he is brought up in.
That's a bit extreme. I can assure you I've never torn a statue down. I'm really just saying that my opinion of him changed, which has influenced my appreciation for his work. I have read around his life and understand certain things can affect the decisions people make later in life, but personally for me I don't count that justification for what I think he is guilty of. I'm really just looking to see how comparable my opinions are to other people's.
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MadeForThis · 02/01/2021 22:29

Wouldn't listen to him.

covidaintacrime · 02/01/2021 22:30

Have you - OP - looked at his upbringing? A person developes within the culture he is brought up in.

I don't know much about his upbringing, but I don't believe that damage inflicted in childhood reduces your accountability for the damage you inflict on others in adulthood.

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InkyPinkyPonky95 · 02/01/2021 22:30

@covidaintacrime really good point about producers and writers etc.

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Sugarplumfairy65 · 02/01/2021 22:32

I'm the same as you

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InkyPinkyPonky95 · 02/01/2021 22:32

@covidaintacrime I don't know much about his upbringing, but I don't believe that damage inflicted in childhood reduces your accountability for the damage you inflict on others in adulthood.

I agree with this statement also.

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covidaintacrime · 02/01/2021 22:32

Me and you against the world, OP Grin

Mummadeeze · 02/01/2021 22:33

Feel uncomfortable listening to him too but sometimes can’t avoid it. It is such a tricky issue to be honest. His music is so mainstream, it inevitably pops up from time to time. But I won’t actively select it.

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 02/01/2021 22:35

I was never a fan of his solo work, so wouldn't choose to listen to it in any case, but definitely would stop dancing if it came on - and have felt that way since the early 90s.

Oddly though, I'm kind of ok with the Jackson 5 songs. Perhaps that's because it was 'before' the rumours started? I don't know, and am aware that it doesn't make sense.

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