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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 13/09/2020 14:05

A lot of spondoolicks.

Mike Bloomberg to spend at least $100 million in Florida to benefit Joe Biden
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bloomberg-money-florida-biden/2020/09/12/af51bb50-f511-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html

Former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg plans to spend at least $100 million in Florida to help elect Democrat Joe Biden, a massive late-stage infusion of cash that could reshape the presidential contest in a costly toss-up state central to President Trump’s reelection hopes.
Bloomberg made the decision to focus his final election spending on Florida last week, after news reports that Trump had considered spending as much as $100 million of his own money in the final weeks of the campaign, Bloomberg’s advisers said. Presented with several options on how to make good on an earlier promise to help elect Biden, Bloomberg decided that a narrow focus on Florida was the best use of his money.
The president’s campaign has long treated the state, which Trump now calls home, as a top priority, and his advisers remain confident in his chances given strong turnout in 2016 and 2018 that gave Republicans narrow winning margins in statewide contests.
“Voting starts on Sept. 24 in Florida so the need to inject real capital in that state quickly is an urgent need,” said Bloomberg adviser Kevin Sheekey. “Mike believes that by investing in Florida it will allow campaign resources and other Democratic resources to be used in other states, in particular the state of Pennsylvania.”
The last Republican to win the White House without Florida was Calvin Coolidge in 1924, and a loss of the state’s 29 electoral votes would radically shrink Trump’s paths to reelection. With Florida in his column, Biden would be able to take the presidency by holding every state that Hillary Clinton won in 2016 and winning any one of the following states: Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, all of which Biden leads in current public polling averages. ...

...The spending will focus mostly on television and digital ads, in both English and Spanish. 
Bloomberg’s aim is to prompt enough early voting that a pro-Biden result would be evident soon after the polls close. Florida, unlike other swing states, reports almost all early ballots shortly after voting ends. 
Democrats and Republicans have worried that early results will dictate public perceptions of who will ultimately win the election. In many states, the first reported votes are more Republican, but the numbers turn more Democratic over time as more mail-in and early votes are added to the tally.

“It would give lie to what we expect to be Trump’s election night messaging that Democrats are stealing the election, because unlike other battleground states, Florida counts its absentee ballots on or by Election Day,” Bloomberg adviser Howard Wolfson said. “We think Florida is incredibly close but winnable.”
A recent report by Hawkfish, a voter data firm funded by Bloomberg, predicted that even in a scenario where Biden wins 54 percent of the final vote, partisan differences in mail voting preference could lead to an initial count that shows Trump winning with 55 percent of ballots tabulated nationally on Nov. 3. In public polling, Republican voters have reported far less interest in voting by mail or voting early than Democrats.
A prominent Democratic consultant in Florida, not aware of the Bloomberg decision, said Saturday that Democratic outside groups have mostly focused on Midwestern states because of the prohibitive cost of advertising in Florida. This person, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss strategy, estimated that it would take $15 million to $20 million to significantly move Biden’s numbers among Latinos, and $60 million to $70 million to get on television across the state over the next 51 days and have a real impact. ...

... But just what Bloomberg, who is estimated to be worth more than $50 billion, planned to do with his money has remained a significant source of suspense among Democratic strategists. After flooding local and state Democratic Party accounts with money during his campaign, Bloomberg transferred about $20 million in cash and prepaid office leases to the Democratic National Committee, taking advantage of a provision of campaign finance law that allows candidates to donate leftover money. He also spread his money to benefit state and local Democratic candidates.


A group he helps to fund, Everytown for Gun Safety, has pledged to spend $60 million on elections this cycle, and he has committed another $60 million to help preserve or strengthen the Democratic House majority. Swing Left, a group focused on winning state legislative seats, and Fair Fight, a voter protection effort led by former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, have also received millions. Bloomberg has not yet announced any spending to help elect a Democratic Senate, after allotting $20 million to the effort in 2018.
The former New York mayor, a onetime Republican and independent who changed his voter registration to Democratic in 2018, has also given an additional $35 million to Hawkfish, which is working to improve voter targeting with independent groups on the Democratic side. The group combines voter file data with expensive consumer data, in an effort to better assist Democrats in targeting and turning out voters.
Through Hawkfish, advisers said, Bloomberg has also quietly funded other distinct programs with multimillion-dollar budgets, including an effort with Unite the Country, a pro-Biden super PAC, to launch a digital campaign targeting 400,000 veterans in battleground states like Pennsylvania and Florida.
A separate Hawkfish program, with a nonprofit called the Collective Education Fund, is targeting digital ads to communities of color in an effort focused on major cities in key states, including Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Detroit.
“The bottom line is when you have additional resources, you can solidify your voters and then communicate with those who are still on the fence for some reason,” Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) said. “One hundred million can do just that.”

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AuntMasha · 13/09/2020 14:32

Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/09/2020 14:55

In Florida one of the important questions is whether there are more felons with unpaid debts who would vote Democrat than there are who would vote Republican.

(I still find this whole "ex-felons are not allowed to vote" thing extraordinary; while they are in prison maybe not because of the difficulty of organising it, but once they are out they go right on being human beings.)

AcrossthePond55 · 13/09/2020 16:17

Bloomberg donated the rest of his 'war chest' to the Democrats when he dropped out of the race and has been pretty vocal about what he thinks of Scrotus. I'm glad he's finally stepping up and putting more money where his mouth is. I think Florida is a good place to do so!

Maybe some of that money could be used to pay the ex-felons' debts and thus make them eligible to vote. But IDK, that may be construed as 'buying votes' which I suspect is illegal. I guess as long as no one asks who the ex-felon is voting for maybe it would be ok? Problem is that white supremacy is a real problem in the prison population (TBF, so are other gangs) and you might end up doing at least as much harm as good.

North thanks for cut/paste of the WaPo article. Most of their articles are behind a paywall for me

AcrossthePond55 · 13/09/2020 16:20

This says so much about who he really is.

www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/politics/2020-election-donald-trump-division-joe-biden/index.html

Roussette · 13/09/2020 16:35

Interesting article from WaPo, thanks... and the CNN one ... oh my...

BruceAndNosh · 13/09/2020 19:24

DON'T PANIC!

The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
lionheart · 13/09/2020 22:19

news.yahoo.com/trump-suggests-negotiate-third-term-145504566.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

'President Donald Trump on Saturday once more suggested he would spend three terms — 12 years — in office, claiming that he was "probably entitled" to an extra term in office. '

TheNorthWestPawsage · 13/09/2020 22:51

New Randy - practically the only light to come out of Trump's dark age.

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Lweji · 14/09/2020 00:05

[quote AuntMasha]Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election[/quote]
Chilling.

I do hope the elections and inauguration go smoothly. Because I won't see much cause for humour if he wins again or if this is the outcome of him losing.

TheSparklyPussycat · 14/09/2020 00:50

Smelling salts! Brain bleach! Quick!
I just watched half of Trump's interview with Judge Jeanine. I felt nauseous.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/09/2020 00:55

Oh Randy, if only I wasn't married. And you weren't gay.

I hope so too Lweji. We're depending on the fact that in the end our history of peaceful transition of power will prevail. That (hopefully) the Trump Cult of loonies and nut jobs will just grumble and drive around in their trucks waiving flags and shouting obscenities, just like when Obama was elected. The US military will never back a Scrotus coup. The State Governors won't allow their Natl Guards to be mobilized to keep him in power. And local mayors and authorities aren't going to order their police and sheriff's depts to 'fight' for Scrotus. In the end, I think he'll kick and scream (through the courts) but then slink away just like he always has when he doesn't get his way.

BruceAndNosh · 14/09/2020 11:28

I'd happily award Trump the Pig Award.
Give me 10 minutes and I'll knock something up out of papier mache

Coquohvan · 14/09/2020 12:24

Apparently Melina in on Scottish TV - STV’s Loose Woman programme today speaking from the Oval Office from 12.30 UK time.

Coquohvan · 14/09/2020 12:30

Sorry Ivana is on.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/09/2020 12:59

@Coquohvan

Apparently Melina in on Scottish TV - STV’s Loose Woman programme today speaking from the Oval Office from 12.30 UK time.
Speaking from the where now?

Is Daddy letting his little princess sit behind Daddy's big desk? 🤮

TheNorthWestPawsage · 14/09/2020 21:11

If this is even halfway true, I don't know what to say. I am so fucking tired of this shit.

‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center
lawandcrime.com/high-profile/like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 14/09/2020 21:44

That disgusts me, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

It's not so long since mental patients in Guatemala were deliberately infected with syphilis by a man called Cutler so that it could be studied. There were debates within the US National Research Council over the ethics of a similar study into gonorrhoea at the Terre Haute prison in Indiana....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles_Cutler

There have always been evil people who saw the end as justifying whatever means they found expedient. What is important is for such sadists to be stopped by the authorities set over them, rather than encouraged to do what they feel like to those who cannot prevent them and even made into the people in authority.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/09/2020 23:42

So, Scrotus shows up in AF1 to 'get briefed' on the No Cal fires. He never even left the airfield (a decommissioned USAF base), didn't go near where the fires actually are. And a Scrotus supporter purposely sideswipes protestors.

www.kcra.com/article/trump-visit-sacramento-california-historic-wildfires/34011256

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2020 23:46

Oh god. That's horrific about the ICE centre. I really hope there's some explanation other than the obvious one; it's horribly plausible given the history, though.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/09/2020 01:08

This is verbatim from a local news station video clip:

Newsom: Climate change is making the temperatures so much hotter.
Scrotus: It will start getting cooler, you just watch.
Newsom: I'm afraid science disagrees with you.
Scrotus: I don't think science knows frankly.

Sigh. I'd run away and join the circus, but the circus is already in town. At least, one of the clowns is here.

lionheart · 15/09/2020 01:42

Horrific if it proves to be true.