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ohmymimi · 28/10/2018 20:32

It is the Express, hope it is not true. However, Adonis has tabled a question on this for tomorrow:
Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
This is horrifying if true. According to the @dailyexpressuk British intelligence knew about the Saudi plot to go after Jamal Khashoggi THREE weeks the Saudis killed but failed to warm him.
mobile.twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1056513427634577409

ohmymimi · 28/10/2018 20:37

'Pompeo’s Dangerous Delusions.
What the Trump Administration’s Iran Policy Gets Wrong.'
www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iran/2018-10-24/pompeos-dangerous-delusions?amp&__twitter_impression=true

PerkingFaintly · 28/10/2018 20:59

The possibility of foreknowledge by the security services is disquieting.

I suppose there's a difference between knowing in general terms of a plot to attack someone, and knowing enough to stop that specific attack. I'll be looking out for details in answer to that Q by Lord Adonis.

It's all pretty near the knuckle for Browder, as he strongly believes Putin is trying to attack him... but how can he avoid every single attempt?

I am overawed by the courage of the people who continue to stand up to Putin's mafia rule.

cozietoesie · 28/10/2018 21:07

Khashoggi. may have thought that that trip was safe enough - like Thomas Becket.

AcrossthePond55 · 28/10/2018 22:33

I'm still hear, reading. In LA for the World Series. Go Dodgers.

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AcrossthePond55 · 28/10/2018 22:34

Here, not hear! Still tired from the 18 inning game on Friday.

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cozietoesie · 28/10/2018 23:00

It will be interesting to see what next week brings - Tuesday, especially. A CNN piece.

Next week's markets

Lweji · 28/10/2018 23:09

Meanwhile, the far-right candidate wins in Brazil.

It may seem a peripheral result, but it's a key country in South America, and once again fake news and social media have played an important role.

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Lweji · 28/10/2018 23:10

Khashoggi. may have thought that that trip was safe enough - like Thomas Becket.

Not according to his fiancé, in a recent interview.

cozietoesie · 28/10/2018 23:12

I didn't see that, Lweji.

TheClaws · 28/10/2018 23:39

Disgusting specimen of the human race right here that thinks it is being clever.

Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter
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Reports suggest that Jamal Khashoggi was injected with poison, then dismembered while still alive. So his official cause of death would be "routine abortion."

7Days · 29/10/2018 00:01

Oh ffs how revolting.

TheClaws · 29/10/2018 01:33

Not sure what this augers. Is it to protect the US against the migrants, or protect the migrants?

Fox News

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The Pentagon sends equipment to the U.S. border ahead of the troop deployment for the migrant caravan. William La Jeunesse reports.

TheClaws · 29/10/2018 01:51

I honestly think he is actually a psychopath, or a the very least a sociopath. No one can be this obtuse for such an extended period unless something else is going on. The division, hatred and fear in our society is squarely down to him and the conservatives emboldened by his rhetoric. They can say all they wish the Left is worse, but I have not seen any evidence of that, ever. The language of the alt-right is like going back in time; a time of hatred and fear of the unknown and anything different to yourself. Trump has allowed these voices, buried for some years, to be heard, and become mainstream rather than fringe and somewhat shameful. They are not going to retreat without a fight.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand!

TheClaws · 29/10/2018 01:51

Sorry for the essay!

TheClaws · 29/10/2018 05:08

Another example of the utter twisted hate arising from the Right.

JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUΔL³³º¹ Retweeted

𝕙𝕚𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕪 𝕤𝕒𝕣𝕘𝕖𝕟𝕥 @lilsarg
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About 5 minutes before Gab shut down, I saw this on a blog linked from a Gab post. A blog post from today. Hey @wordpressdotcom— take this blog and every one like it down.

Couldn't think of a pithy quote so have this instead.  Trump #85
borntobequiet · 29/10/2018 05:32

Hi Across, they reported that 18 innings game on our news! (I heard it with some bemusement though - not sure there are that many baseball fans here!). Hope you had fun.

BolleauxtoBankers · 29/10/2018 06:42

Sad, very sad Sad
Dan Rather, in News and Guts yesterday, under the headline: I Do Not Think President Trump Is Redeemable.

"There is no middle ground on hate. There are no ends justifying the means. No tax cuts. No deregulation. No scores of conservative judges can be worth tearing asunder the foundation of American freedom and democracy. And yet we now stand on that precipice

I do not think President Trump is redeemable on this score. His actions long before becoming president suggest a profound level of personal animosity to the diversity of our nation. And now, drunk on power and exalting in the amen choruses assembling at his hate-filled rallies, his debasement of the norms of the office he holds and his misplaced sense of victimhood has metastasized across a political movement that has become increasingly indistinguishable from the political party he leads.

We must find other pressure points to return the United States to a path of sanity. One big moment is the upcoming election. Americans must vote with the message of “This will not be us!” And they must not tremble in the face of voter intimidation and threats of violence.

I believe that most Americans recoil from the hate and injustice. That’s why GOP officials are lying about their records on health care. They are playing a cynical game of stoking their restive minority through propaganda and lies while intimidating and demoralizing the majority. That’s why they seek to distract with all this gunned-up racism and anti-Semitism. Republican officials who play in cynical games of wink, nod, abet, and excuse must hear loud and clear that their complicity is akin to an endorsement.

This can be a delicate balance. One can understand that words and actions are different and that one cannot be held accountable for the actions of a deranged loner. But one can be held accountable for stoking a climate where these actions burst forth with the frequency and seriousness we are witnessing.

Where we used to speak of dog whistles we now hear bullhorns. There is nothing subtle or hidden about what’s going on. And no one can be allowed to pretend that this is just a slightly adulterated version of politicos as usual. All who support the president must be called to account for the hate they have allowed him to wreak upon this nation. This hate is bigger than Trump and it long preceded him. To personalize it around him is to excuse far too many for their tacit complicity. We are long beyond the stage of words of disapproval. We must dismantle the scaffolding that has allowed this terror to flourish."

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 07:59

'Letter to President Trump from Pittsburgh Jewish Leaders'

President Trump:
Yesterday, a gunman slaughtered 11 Americans during Shabbat morning services. We mourn with the victims’ families and pray for the wounded. Here in Mr. Rogers’ neighborhood, we express gratitude for the first responders and for the outpouring of support from our neighbors near and far. We are committed to healing as a community while we recommit ourselves to repairing our nation.
For the past three years your words and your policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement. You yourself called the murderer evil, but yesterday’s violence is the direct culmination of your influence.

President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you fully denounce white nationalism.
Our Jewish community is not the only group you have targeted. You have also deliberately undermined the safety of people of color, Muslims, LGBTQ people, and people with disabilities. Yesterday’s massacre is not the first act of terror you incited against a minority group in our country.

President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you stop targeting and endangering all minorities.
The murderer’s last public statement invoked the compassionate work of the Jewish refugee service HIAS at the end of a week in which you spread lies and sowed fear about migrant families in Central America. He killed Jews in order to undermine the efforts of all those who find shared humanity with immigrants and refugees.
President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you cease your assault on immigrants and refugees.
The Torah teaches that every human being is made b’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God.
This means all of us.
In our neighbors, Americans, and people worldwide who have reached out to give our community strength, there we find the image of God. While we cannot speak for all Pittsburghers, or even all Jewish Pittsburghers, we know we speak for a diverse and unified group when we say:
President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you commit yourself to compassionate, democratic policies that recognize the dignity of all of us.
Bend the Arc: Pittsburgh
www.bendthearc.us/open_letter_to_president_trump

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 08:02

That Coulter tweet is beyond reprehensible.

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 08:09

David Beard
@dabeard
Conceding the House: #Trump's last rallies have him "staying away from big cities that have suburbs where he's toxic." Also he's shying away from Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where he is tanking

'Inside Trump's last-minute road trip'
www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-sneak-peek-4e6af4aa-5108-4e14-a63c-3a4dd3ff03d6.html?chunk=0&utm_term=twsocialshare#story0

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 08:13

carolynryan
@carolynryan
“Let us not lay the blame on some brutal fool who didn’t know better. We know better. We created the day. We bear the judgment.”

@nmeyersohn
Gene Patterson's column after the 1963 Birmingham church bombing is always worth revisiting, but especially in the aftermath of the attack in Pittsburgh and this past week.

amp.poynter.org/news/gene-pattersons-most-famous-column-flower-graves?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 08:20

Haven't done enough to stop right wing extremism
They have nurtured it and bred it:
'Critics Say The Trump Administration Hasn't Done Enough To Stop Right-Wing Extremism'
"The administration bases its policies on what's the loudest and most clickable headline."
www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/adolfoflores/critics-say-the-trump-administration-is-focusing-on-the?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 29/10/2018 08:22

'Brazil's Bolsonaro says Trump called to wish him luck'
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1N301K?__twitter_impression=true