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ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 10:05

This is sickening, disgusting, depraved. That poor man, and his family, fiancé, friends, having to bear his loss while finding out such dreadful details from newspaper articles. And Pompeo jokes around with the instigator, while a POTUS could care less for the horror of it.
Rebecca Ballhaus
@rebeccaballhaus
Turkey has an audio recording indicating Khashoggi was killed minutes after walking into the consulate—not after any interrogation. A voice ID'd as a Saudi forensic specialist then tells others present to listen to music while he dismembers the body.

Philip Rucker
@PhilipRucker
Turkish officials say Saudi operatives beat, drugged, killed and dismembered journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the presence of Saudi Arabia’s top diplomat in Istanbul, WSJ reports

Audio recording shows Saudi forensic specialist asked witnesses to listen to music while he dismembered Khashoggi’s body inside the office of the Saudi consul general, per WSJ (link: www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-seeks-answers-amid-crisis-over-missing-saudi-journalist-1539690270 wsj.com/articles/pompe…

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
One of the suspects identified in the disappearance of Khashoggi was a frequent companion of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. 3 others are linked to his security detail. A 5th is a forensic doctor who holds senior positions in the Saudi Interior Ministry.
A Saudi investigative delegation entered the consulate in Istanbul on Monday before Turkish investigators arrived.
Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
nytimes.com

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 10:10

Apparently, 'The Palm' in DC, a lobbyists favourite, is the only place Carlson feels comfy dining at (for) now.
www.thepalm.com/restaurants/washington-dc/

Gumpendorf · 17/10/2018 10:17

Maddow covers the links between suspects and Saudis
Photos of suspect with prince defy Trump/Saudi rogue killer story www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/photos-of-suspect-with-prince-defy-trump-saudi-rogue-killer-story-1346003523748 via @msnbc

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 10:21

State Dept. statement on Pompeo's meeting with King Salman. Obsequious, embarrassing:
mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1052167470864392192/photo/1

Lweji · 17/10/2018 10:42

John Oliver does Saudi Arabia

Lweji · 17/10/2018 10:43

The Trump Administration is held by the balls by too many international players.

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 11:12

Exactly, Lweji, and who could possibly have foreseen the consequences of the Stinker and his enablers being owned by a clutch of malign actors?Hmm

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 11:15

'Hurricane aftermath threatens to unleash Florida election chaos.
One option for Gov. Rick Scott: Use his emergency power to delay state elections.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/10/17/hurricane-michael-florida-elections-909887

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 11:38

'CNN poll: Cruz leads O'Rourke with three weeks to go'
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/16/politics/cnn-poll-texas-cruz-orourke/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 12:15

That was a fascinating Lee Atwater tale on Maddow yesterday, Gump.

Too much monkey business:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/was-gary-hart-set-up/570802/

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 12:19

Kristol ball or Kristol balls?
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
A fair amount of cross-cutting polling data right now. My guess: The mini-GOP rally is ending, those Republicans who are coming home have done so, and, as was the case in 1994 and 2010, in the last couple of weeks the major trend will reassert itself and the wave will get bigger.

The question is just how much Democrats can expand the normal midterm electorate. It's usually safe to bet against the success of such efforts. But if not this year, when?

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 12:30

So he is saying the visit was no more than kabuki, then? Except kabuki is more realistic:

David P Gelles
@gelles
Pompeo after meeting with the Saudis refuses to tell reporters if Khashoggi is dead or alive.
“I don’t want to talk about any of the facts and they didn’t want to either,” he said.

Letting the Saudis complete their investigation he said is “a reasonable thing to do”
mobile.twitter.com/gelles/status/1052407597981155328

Minimammoth · 17/10/2018 13:11

That’s because he has got to come home and explain to the orange one the true horrors of what happened, and twit face has defended the Saudi unconditionally, he may lose money after all.
I am truly sickened.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 17/10/2018 13:29

What Tiny Trumpy doesn't seem to realise is that if Putin can poison people in the UK and Saudis can kill people in their embassies with impunity - then they can easily comit the same crimes and worse on US soil as well! The fact that these particular atrocities didn't happen in the USA is meaningless.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 17/10/2018 13:42

The expected disruption to the Florida mid-term voting is worrying. But who could blame those who have just lost their homes (and probably places of work too) if they dont have the inclination or strength to vote?

lionheart · 17/10/2018 14:44

Jumping the gun and all that but still ...

www.brookings.edu/research/presidential-obstruction-of-justice-the-case-of-donald-j-trump-2nd-edition/

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 15:40

Horseshit:
Ashley Parker
@AshleyRParker
On what Horseface all means: “The reason I cared about Stormy is because it affects Melania, which affects [Trump], which affects a lot of us.” — an informal White House adviser. @eliseviebeckand I explain.
mobile.twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1052563035750092807/photo/1
(link: www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-calls-stormy-daniels-horseface-cheers-judges-dismissal-of-defamation-suit/2018/10/16/8441f0c4-d155-11e8-b2d2-f397227b43f0_story.html. washingtonpost.com/politics/trump…

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 15:49

Found this article and realised it's related to the pod in lion's link above:
'Donald Trump claims he only licensed his name for real estate projects developed by others. But an investigation of a dozen Trump deals shows deep family involvement in projects that often involved deceptive practices.'
features.propublica.org/trump-inc-podcast/trump-family-business-panama-city-khafif/

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 16:21

'The greatest embarrassment': Inside the kingdom, Saudis rattled by handling of Jamal Khashoggi case
Exclusive: Jamal Khashoggi was caught up in Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman’s attempts to consolidate his power, eliminate rival royals, and seize the assets of his country’s billionaires
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-arabia-murder-turkey-missing-mbs-king-salman-us-un-pompeo-a8586786.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 16:44

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Trump sent Pompeo to Ankara at the last minute this week amid concerns about what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. Which makes it odd that in these readouts from his meetings with Erdogan and Turkey’s foreign minister, Khashoggi is not the main focus
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1052537805069578241/photo/1
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1052537805069578241/photo/2
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1052537805069578241

Minimammoth · 17/10/2018 16:45

Mendacity

ohmymimi · 17/10/2018 17:02

Josh Dawsey
@jdawsey1
How the Saudis kill and dismember, per Turkish audio: "Listen to music, he told them, as he put on headphones himself. That was what he did to ease the tension when doing such work, the official said, describing the contents of the audio recording."
Turkish forensic and investigation officers at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Wednesday.
Audio Contains Gruesome Details of Khashoggi Killing, Turkish Official Says
nytimes.com
mobile.twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1052585726376861696

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