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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

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ohmymimi · 01/10/2018 19:09

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Rebecca Solnit:
'Dear Christine Blasey Ford: you are a welcome earthquake.
It was made at great personal cost, but your brave testimony has had incalculable benefits for the country at large.'
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/christine-blasey-ford-testimony-sexual-assault-kavanaugh

ohmymimi · 01/10/2018 19:10

Sorry, thought I'd deleted that extraneous stuff.

lionheart · 01/10/2018 19:21

www.axios.com/kavanaugh-vote-2018-midterms-poll-3db8f6c6-c637-41a8-bbc5-a27bbad3abc3.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

'A majority of people wouldn’t vote to re-elect their senators if they vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, according to a new Change Research poll.'

lionheart · 01/10/2018 19:21

Thanks ohmy.

lionheart · 01/10/2018 19:27

This is good.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-45680365#

'Children's character Matilda has been portrayed as a statue standing up to US president Donald Trump to celebrate the book's 30th anniversary.

The figures at the Roald Dahl Museum in Buckinghamshire were created as part of a "reimagining" of the schoolgirl, three decades on.

Trump was the public's top choice for the heroine's modern-day nemesis, the Roald Dahl Story Company said.'

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:01

Sen. Jeff Flake says he is working with the White House counsel's office to ensure that the FBI is able to do a "real investigation" into allegations of sexual misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. on.msnbc.com/2NScVps

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:07

As Brett Kavanaugh's college freshman roommate, I was never contacted by the FBI for any of their background checks. I assume college behavior was not a topic of interest. They did not find Debbie's story because they were not looking for it.

twitter.com/jamie_roche/status/1046769519505678336

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:11

Full statement from Chad Ludington, former Yale classmate, who says Kavanaugh has "not told the truth" about his drinking at Yale twitter.com/FoxReports/status/1046594546333896704/photo/1

twitter.com/FoxReports/status/1046594546333896704

Fair but damning statement. The evidence that he lied about his drinking is pretty overwhelming. It would be corrupt if the Senate vote to confirm against the evidence and the polling.

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:17

Breaking from @politico : Paul Manafort meets with Mueller prosecutors
@NicolleDWallace w/ @TimOBrien twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1046867824948535296/video/1

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:32

Otoh... what was that about a week's delay.

MCCONNELL: "And so let me make it very clear: the time for endless delay and obstruction has come to a close. Judge Kavanaugh's nomination is out of Committee, we're considering here on the floor, and Mister President, we'll be voting this week."

twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1046851017055375360

lionheart · 01/10/2018 22:33

New directive.

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/us/politics/trump-fbi-kavanaugh.html

Ryan Goodman

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3h3 hours ago

NYT: "The new directive came in the past 24 hours."

Trump tweeted—over 36 hours ago—that he was not "limiting the FBI investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, and witnesses, only to certain people."

So why the need for the new directive unless Trump was , shall we say, lying?

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:37

Former FBI Director James Comey has rejected an invitation from congressional Republicans to be interviewed behind closed doors, but he said he would appear for a public hearing instead cnn.it/2NUe8MZ twitter.com/CNN/status/1046849746973933573/photo/1

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:41

McConnell does seem to be on a separate page to the FBI and that NYT story. lion

lionheart · 01/10/2018 22:44

www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/10/01/so-many-lies-so-little-time-to-investigate/?utm_term=.271a04391085

'During their joint appearance Sunday on “60 Minutes,” Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.) were asked if Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s confirmation would be over if he “is shown to have lied to the committee?”

“Oh, yes,” said Flake. “I would think so,” Coons added.

That’s refreshing, because for a moment (well, for several days) Republicans seemed to be saying that no matter what Kavanaugh said under oath (e.g., vowing revenge against Democrats, lying about drinking), he would get confirmed. Nothing short of a confession or video tape of the assault was likely to shake the confidence of partisan thespians such as Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.).'

cozietoesie · 01/10/2018 22:49

It's all - or seems to be - 'Boys will be boys'.

Gumpendorf · 01/10/2018 22:56

NBC News: Text messages between two friends of Brett Kavanaugh "suggest that the nominee was personally talking with former classmates about [Deborah] Ramirez's story in advance of the New Yorker article that made her allegation public."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/mutual-friend-ramirez-kavanaugh-anxious-come-forward-evidence-n915566

lionheart · 01/10/2018 23:20

Another lie to add to all the others.

lionheart · 01/10/2018 23:22

I thought Mueller had gone quiet. Smile

lionheart · 01/10/2018 23:24

Maggie Haberman

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'Hearty chant of "Lock Her Up" an hour and 15 minutes before Trump is to take the stage at Freedom Hall.'

TheClaws · 02/10/2018 01:00

This is the country led by a dictator Trump said - just a few days ago! - they were in love with each other. I’ve highlighted a paragraph that is particularly telling. North Korea states clearly it is not willing to take any steps to denuclearise unless the US takes the same steps.

War End Is Not Just Gift: KCNA Commentary

Pyongyang, October 2 (KCNA) -- Some Korean issue experts of America are recently spouting such rubbish that the U.S. should force the DPRK to not only notify its nuclear program and have it verified but also dismantle its Nyongbyon nuclear facility and missile facility in return for the U.S. response to its call for a war-end declaration.

The issue of the war-end declaration should have been resolved half a century ago, under an armistice agreement. It is also the most basic and primary process for the establishment of new DPRK-U.S. relations and peace mechanism on the Korean peninsula, to which the U.S. was also committed.

In actuality, the issue of the war end had already been proposed by the U.S. first during the Bush II administration more than one decade ago. As specified in the "Declaration for Development of North-South Relations and Peace and Prosperity" adopted on October 4, 2007 and the "Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Reunification in the Korean Peninsula" on April 27 last, it is the matter to which the U.S. and other relevant parties paid more attention than the DPRK.

The end of war, which meets the interests of not only the DPRK and the U.S. but also the countries in Northeast Asia wanting peace of the Korean peninsula, is not just a gift from a man to another at all. Furthermore, it can never be a bargaining chip for getting the DPRK denuclearized.

Now that the DPRK and the U.S. are aspiring after the establishment of new relations true to the spirit of the June 12 DPRK-U.S. joint statement, it is quite right to put an end to the belligerent relations between them.

But, if the U.S. doesn't want the end of war, the DPRK will also not particularly hope for it.

As far as the Nyongbyon nuclear facility is concerned, it is just a core one for the nuclear program of the DPRK, as recognized by the U.S. and other countries of the world.

Out of its fixed stand to remain true to the joint statement made at the DPRK-U.S. summit, the DPRK clarified in the "September Pyongyang joint declaration" that it is willing to continuously take such additional steps as eternal dismantlement of the Nyongbyon nuclear facility if the U.S. takes a corresponding measure.

The DPRK is taking substantial and crucial steps to implement the joint statement made at the DPRK-U.S. summit, but the U.S. is still trying to subdue someone by resorting to sanctions, oft-repeating the story about escalation of sanctions pressure on the DPRK.

Worse still, those called experts on the Korean issue are orchestrating a farce of putting a price on the issue which should have been settled 60 odd years ago.

Whoever is truly interested in the settlement of the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula should approach it with a proper understanding of the historic origin and essence of the nuclear issue of the Korean peninsula. -0-

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borntobequiet · 02/10/2018 05:02

Feeling a bit sorry for DPRK now. Were they actually bamboozled by Trump, thinking he acted in good faith? I know it’s more likely to be their version of diplomacy though.

TheClaws · 02/10/2018 06:50

Compare these two articles describing an incident in the South China Sea: somewhat different in tone and one leaves out some key details, supposedly. (The first is from the US standpoint; the second is a Chinese one.)

www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinese-warship-sails-within-metres-of-us-destroyer/news-story/c0d8b74a808b9ce3b0a3e0bdd1bb6cb7

www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2166400/pentagon-us-warship-sails-near-south-china-sea-area

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