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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
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BelfastBloke · 02/10/2018 07:01

New York Times on Kavanaugh bar fight in 1985:

“Mr. Ludington said that he had been in touch with the F.B.I.
He said that the altercation happened after a UB40 concert on Sept. 25, when he and a group of people went to Demery’s and were drinking pints. At one point, they were sitting near a man who, they thought, resembled Ali Campbell, the lead singer of UB40.
“We’re trying to figure out if it’s him,” he said.
When the man noticed Mr. Ludington, Mr. Kavanaugh and the others looking at him, he objected and told them to stop it, adding an expletive, Mr. Ludington said.
Mr. Kavanaugh cursed, he said, and then “threw his beer at the guy.”
“The guy swung at Brett,” Mr. Ludington continued. At that point, Mr. Dudley “took his beer and smashed it into the head of the guy, who by now had Brett in an embrace. I then tried to pull Chris back, and a bunch of other guys tried to pull the other guy back. I don’t know what Brett was doing in the melee, but there was blood, there was glass, there was beer and there was some shouting, and the police showed up.”

TheClaws · 02/10/2018 07:01

borntobequiet I’m not sorry for NK. They are not interested in denuclearising and never have been. The US summit was simply for prestige. They would have been delighted by the amount of concessions Trump gave them - cease of joint training drills, etc. - and there has been an increase in cooperation between NK, Russia and China that is becoming more bold by the day. I feel sorry for its citizens, but NK as a whole hasn’t been naive in this process.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/10/2018 07:15

(THREAD) Tonight's revelation that Kavanaugh knew of allegations of sexual assault against him by Deborah Ramirez months before they became public is a game-changer—but only if journalists realize its astounding implications. I discuss them here. I hope you'll read and retweet.
twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1046915870675619841?s=21

lionheart · 02/10/2018 08:04

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/can-t-spot-bot-california-automated-accounts-have-reveal-themselves-n915556?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

'California Gov. Jerry Brown drew plenty of headlines on Sunday when he signed the state’s net neutrality bill into a law, a move that was immediately met with a lawsuit from the Department of Justice.

On Friday, he signed another bill that drew less attention — a new law that bans automated accounts, more commonly known as bots, from pretending to be real people in pursuit of selling products or influencing elections. Automated accounts can still interact with Californians, according to the law, but they will need to disclose that they are bots.'

lionheart · 02/10/2018 08:26

Graham says if they lose the floor vote he will renominate Kavanaugh ...

PerkingFaintly · 02/10/2018 08:43

Oh, that's very interesting about the CA legislation requiring bots to disclose themselves, lionheart. Thank you.

lionheart · 02/10/2018 09:24

It's good news. Smile

Gumpendorf · 02/10/2018 09:41

I'm struggling with the idea that men are anywhere near being totally invalidated. ConfusedAngry

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-trauma-for-a-man-male-fury-and-fear-rises-in-gop-in-defense-of-kavanaugh/2018/10/01/f48499a2-c595-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html

Angry White Men

The sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh have sparked a wave of unbridled anger and anxiety from many Republican men, who say they are in danger of being swept up by false accusers who are biased against them.
From President Trump to his namesake son to Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), the howls of outrage crystallize a strong current of grievance within a party whose leadership is almost entirely white and overwhelmingly male, and which does not make a secret of its fear that demographic shifts and cultural convulsions could jeopardize its grip on power.
This eruption of male resentment now seems likely to play a defining role in the midterm elections just five weeks away, contrasting with a burst of enthusiasm among women propelling Democratic campaigns and inspired by the national #MeToo reckoning over sexual assault and gender roles.
“I’ve got boys and I’ve got girls, and when I see what’s going on right now, it’s scary,” Donald Trump Jr., a father of five small children, said in an interview with DailyMailTV aired Monday.
Asked whether he was more worried about his sons or daughters, Trump Jr. said, “Right now, I’d say my sons.”
The rallying cry was Kavanaugh’s enraged plea of innocence before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which heard emotional testimony from Christine Blasey Ford that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her at a house in suburban Maryland when he was 17 and she was 15.
Trump has defended Kavanaugh and said the accusations by Ford and two other women are unfair to the judge and his family. The president — who himself has denied claims of sexual assault by more than a dozen women — has repeatedly stood behind other accused men in positions of power, including former Senate candidate Roy Moore after the Alabama Republican was accused of sexual misconduct with teenage girls.
“The trauma for a man that’s never had any accusation — he’s never had a bad statement about him,” Trump told reporters on Monday, sympathizing with Kavanaugh’s experience. “It’s unfair to him at this point. What his wife is going through, what his beautiful children are going through is not describable.”
Veteran GOP pollster Frank Luntz said that among Republicans, “There is a feeling of being guilty until proven innocent. In this era of #MeToo, there are a lot of men and some women who believe that justice no longer exists in America, that the accusation is enough to destroy someone’s career and someone’s life. That wasn’t manifesting itself politically until” late last week.
...
The Republican Party has long identified with more traditional white males, such as former presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. But strategists say it is now turning more toward combative male candidates in the mold of Trump, with allegations of misconduct interpreted by many within the party not as liabilities but as unfair political attacks.
“We’re a party of angry, older white men at a time when our country is going through tremendous demographic change,” Republican strategist John Weaver said, predicting that the GOP would suffer the consequences in future elections.
The sounds and images of angry men could have a lasting impact on the Republican brand. Kavanaugh’s pitched testimony has quickly gone from must-see live television to cultural touchstone. On NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” over the weekend, actor Matt Damon portrayed Kavanaugh in the show’s opening sketch as a beer-guzzling frat boy whose hero was “Clint Eastwood’s character in ‘Gran Torino,’ ” a 2008 film about an older white man who has contempt for aspects of diversity.
The shift in political gravity for Republicans helps explain the searing denouncement by Graham in last week’s Senate hearing. His extraordinary diatribe reenacted on “Saturday Night Live” by a scowling Kate McKinnon was, in essence, a defense of men who had been stewing about the charges against Kavanaugh.
“I know I’m a single white male from South Carolina and I’m told I should shut up, but I will not shut up, if that’s okay,” Graham said at the hearing, adding that the experience had been “hell” for Kavanaugh and “the most unethical sham since I’ve been in politics.”
Those remarks won Graham a rush of praise from men in his solidly Republican state and from conservative activists nationally.
“People say, ‘Lindsey said what I was thinking,’ ” said Katon Dawson, a former South Carolina Republican Party chairman and Graham ally. “That’s powerful, and that’s all over the country. . . . It’s become a fairness issue to the people in the hinterlands. They don’t think Kavanaugh has been treated fairly.”
Others, however, saw the cold calculation of a lawmaker playing to stereotypes and raw emotions to gain a political edge.
“It’s not just that white men are allowed to be angry and women are not; it’s that white men’s anger can be used to their benefit,” wrote Rebecca Traister, author of “Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women’s Anger.” “We reflexively understand the anger of white men, especially when used to convey how unfairly they’ve been treated, as righteous and correct.”
Inside the conservative movement and on its fringes, an intense discussion has long been underway about gender and the perceived assault on men. Fox News commentator Ben Shapiro, who hosts a popular podcast and TV program, has been one of the higher profile voices, sharply criticizing a culture where he sees “men out in the cold” and “searching for meaning.”
“The age of emasculation cannot last,” Shapiro has written. “It will eventually boil over into violence, sink away into irrelevance,” or return to traditional mores.
Beyond Shapiro, University of Toronto clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson has drawn thousands of young conservative men to his lectures across the United States, railing against the effects of feminism and urging men to speak up for themselves. “Boys are suffering in the modern world,” he has told his followers.
On Reddit, a hugely popular online discussion website, hordes of men, many of them libertarian or Republican, weigh in on forums focused on topics such as “men’s rights” and “men’s liberation.”
Some conservative women also have joined the chorus of outrage over what they see as the encroachment of liberal feminism into American life.
“I disagree with Senator Mazie Hirono, who said men should just shut up. Men deserve to be listened to,” said attorney Helgi Walker, a longtime friend of Kavanaugh who worked with him in the White House. “Due process means listening to everybody. It doesn’t mean men are totally invalidated.”

lionheart · 02/10/2018 10:17

www.gq.com/story/all-of-brett-kavanaughs-lies

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 11:59

I've just read the Seth A. thread North posted above. The more that is revealed, the smellier everything about Kav., and his nomination, becomes.

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:00

'GOP operative who sued Trump says FBI referred hacking of her email to Mueller.
Cheri Jacobus says she was subjected to a campaign of online harassment and sabotage after a public fight with the president and one of his top advisers.'

ttps://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/02/mueller-investigation-emails-hack-857288

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:03

Testing times:
'Don’t Expect Wray and Rosenstein to Protect the FBI This Time.
The Kavanaugh probe isn’t like other investigations. Here’s why.'
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-fbi-wray-rosenstein-220810

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:04

'Going on the Offensive: A U.S. Strategy to Combat Russian Information Warfare'
CSIS Briefs
www.csis.org/analysis/going-offensive-us-strategy-combat-russian-information-warfare

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:07
Hmm 'Kavanaugh in 2015: A Judge Must Keep “Emotions in Check” and Not Be a “Political Partisan” And, the Supreme Court nominee said, “don’t be a jerk.” ' www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/10/kavanaugh-in-2015-a-judge-must-keep-emotions-in-check-and-not-be-a-political-partisan/
ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:15

'How America Lost Its Mind.
The nation’s current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.'
post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.
SEPTEMBER 2017 ISSUE
www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534231/?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:18

'Unlike Trump, the GOP has been quite clear about how it feels about Kim Jong Un's nuclear ambitions — that is, until recently.'
Nothing illustrates the hypocrisy of the Republican Party during the era of Donald Trump more than their willingness to give the president a complete pass on his bizarre statements about North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.
www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna915436?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:22

'Archived videos give a view of Brett Kavanaugh's friend Mark Judge'

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/01/politics/mark-judge-videos/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:33

It is not a misquote, it is deliberate. The Stinker clearly said 'thinking', not 'thanking':
Steve Herman
@W7VOAOfficial @WhiteHouse transcripts misquotes @POTUS today chiding @CeciliaVega (compare video to text). I was sitting just behind her in the Rose Garden and we all clearly heard him say: "I know you're not thinking. You never do.” link: youtube.com/watch?v=sTwyRO…
mobile.twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1046952004088737792/photo/1
mobile.twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1046952004088737792

ohmymimi · 02/10/2018 12:35

'Roger Stone associate to plead 5th before Senate panel'
www.politico.com/story/2018/10/01/roger-stone-associate-senate-panel-855644

PerkingFaintly · 02/10/2018 12:39

From ohmymimi's link:

www.politico.com/story/2018/10/01/roger-stone-associate-senate-panel-855644
A liberal talk show host described as an intermediary between Trump confidant Roger Stone and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Senate Russia investigators on Monday that he’s planning to plead the Fifth Amendment in response to its subpoena for testimony and documents.

Randy Credico, a Bernie Sanders-supporting activist and comedian, told the Senate Intelligence Committee through his lawyer that he’d invoke his constitutional right against possible self-incrimination rather than answer the panel’s questions in the ongoing investigation into Russian influence on the 2016 presidential election

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