We're not on a 17 day vacation, not us. We have meetings and calls! Now where did that golf ball go?...Trump cont.

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That imagined scenario above of someone asking their grandparent how the nuclear war started and them replying "it was hashtag international cats day" - got a new detail to add to the tableau

thehill.com/homenews/administration/346099-state-responds-to-wh-aide-says-tillerson-carries-a-big-stick?amp

In response to Gina miller being too scared to leave her house for
Months after being threatened with acid attacks, this was leave.eu's response. It was founded by Aaron banks

LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧
LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧 @LeaveEUOfficial
Gina Miller says she may need to leave the UK.

mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/895288888289374211/photo/1

[gif of someone saying "there's the door, liberals"]

Simon Cox @SimonFRCox

"Liberals"?

Supposedly "British" Leave.EU chooses labels that get US tweeps RTing - to maximise its social media effect.

David Wright
David Wright @DavidWright_CNN
.@LindseyGrahamSC says Trump "is willing to abandon strategic patience and use preemption. I think he’s there mentally. He has told me this"

That Lindsey Graham statement is scary as hell

Trump's blabbing works well for some.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/09/investors-safe-havens-us-north-korea-nuclear-threat-swiss-franc-gold

He's not tweeting about the Dow Jones being at July 28th levels.

He may call it preemptive strike. History and International Law would probably call it war crimes.

Did anyone listen to the BBC Gorka interview?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sebastian-gorka-interview_uk_598c1060e4b0d793738ca8a7?section=politics

Yes, as an expat in Switzerland I've noticed the Franc. It's messing with my business (though, to be fair, I'm also getting richer by the hour).

Expect the central bank to intervene if he doesn't toe it down soon.

*tone

Jesus Christ could the CIA not step in with a well timed shooter on the hill

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40901746

It's just terrifying

I honestly feel quite pukey with fear.

Jesus Christ could the CIA not step in with a well timed shooter on the hill

It's not funny how much I'm hearing people say this - in (bitter) jest - right now.

Nicolle Wallace @NicolleDWallace
Here’s the Memo That Blew Up the NSC – Foreign Policy

foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/heres-the-memo-that-blew-up-the-nsc/amp/

Caroline O. @RVAwonk

1. This is insane.
2. We (taxpayers) paid for this to be written.

I'm not sure I'm jesting.

I am deeply concerned that no one seems to be able to stop him

Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance

1. Trump says we are "Locked and Loaded"? We haven't even made basic preparations for war fighting that will happen if our B1s & SSBNs fire.
2. NK could launch massive snap attacks within minutes of an attack. Pacific command logistics, amphibious ships & Marines NOT at ready.
3. National ammunition logistics train NOT READY. Army/Marine alerts NOT READY. USAF air bridge NOT READY. Medical mobilization NOT READY.
4. We are NOT READY for even a small action size of Libya much less Korean War 2.0. This talk of Locked & Loaded is irresponsible madness.
5. Every command in world will have to deploy all assets to Asia. It will take months and by then NK could hold peninsula or nuke Guam/Tokyo
6. Trump's rethoric is out of control. Mattis, McMaster & Kelly need to brake or bet there will be no NK HE, Chem, Bio or nuke response.

I'm pessimistic.

Yes, I think much of the sentiment is without humour now.

All this talk of logistics, trppos in readiness etc assumes a longer campaign. If MAD is the endgame, preparation is superfluous.

Troops ^

I'm starting to think all the "paranoid" MN preppers are way ahead of us Polyannas.

Surely someone will lock him in the bathroom or slip him a 'Mickey Finn' if it gets this far?! But of course, he may goad NK into acting first

From wiki:
Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it.

So if Mattis says "no, you lunatic" then Trump fires him - what happens then? Does Trump turn to the next guy in the room and say "You are SoD - fire my nukes"? And so on until someone does?

What's worrying me is there have already been so many incidences where, 12 months ago, we'd all be saying "That could never happen" "Checks and balances" "If xx happened then yy would step in"

But they haven't. Nothing has been done to stop him, no one has stepped in. Which leads me to conclude no one will, even when he's got his finger on the button.

I am very pessimistic and worried today :(

I'm starting to think all the "paranoid" MN preppers are way ahead of us Polyannas.

Nah.

They'll be obliterated as fast as we will and will have wasted their lives worrying about prepping.