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We can't answer this thread without revealing classified information. Trumpery trumped.

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PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2017 08:46

New thread, and here's the link to yesterday's hearing again.

Full transcript: Sally Yates and James Clapper testify on Russian election interference
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/08/full-transcript-sally-yates-and-james-clapper-testify-on-russian-election-interference/?utm_term=.8b4eaf12c960

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2017 21:25

AndHold. To put it simply, the religious alt-right believes that sex should only happen within a marriage. And that contraception availability for unmarried people, sex education, and abortion actively encourage sex outside of marriage. They believe it to the point that its mere availability will turn adults into ravening sex maniacs. And that it will make young boys and girls unable to say no. They further believe that if you should be so unfortunate/depraved as to have sex outside of marriage, then you deserve God's punishment; pregnancy and/or an STI. Naturally the 'sin' of pregnancy can be expiated by marriage or giving the child up for adoption. But single mothers should be vilified and denied basic benefits. The fathers? Not so much. Boys will be boys after all and she should have kept her legs closed.

This is the beliefs of the church I was raised in. It's the belief of most of our so-called Christian alt-right friends. Even those who slept together before marriage. Because of course, they got married so that makes it all OK.

Natsku · 09/05/2017 21:25

They'll probably make an even bigger mess and blame it on the lazy immigrants that steal their jobs but don't do them properly.... Grin

Natsku · 09/05/2017 21:28

The sex beliefs were one of the biggest reasons I got turned off Christianity Across - I was raised Baptist (British Baptist though, not Southern!) and all the fuss about sex despite so many young unmarried couples in the Church having sex made me see how stupid it was. And then how they treated my friend who came out as lesbian - until then she was a much-loved member of the Church and then suddenly she was evil and not to be talked to.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2017 21:31

Right in one, Natsku. I was raised Southern Baptist. Obviously, I don't subscribe to their tenets anymore!

I was always furious because Dad was Episcopalian and I liked that church so much better (all Dad's side of the family were Episcopalian so we went occasionally) and wished that Mum had taken Dad's faith. They were even married by an Episcopal minister because Mum's own apparently wouldn't marry them since Dad wasn't Baptist.

Natsku · 09/05/2017 21:33

British Baptist isn't so bad, would have preferred mum's Lutheranism but dad was a Baptist minister (the expectations placed on you when you are a vicar's daughter!)

AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2017 21:37

I don't know Natsku. It's always been said that 'Preacher's Kids' are the wildest of them all.

Present company excepted, of course!

Natsku · 09/05/2017 21:39

Oh I was the wildest kid! Grin

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 21:54

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 18s18 seconds ago
Chuck Grassley on Fox News: There was "new news" revealed in yesterday's Sally Yates hearing, despite Trump's tweetstorm (h/t @SZilberstein) pic.twitter.com/2Mf4EznEle

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 21:55

Bradd Jaffy‏Verified account @BraddJaffy 54s54 seconds ago
Hatch—“The public wants every dime they can be given…once you get them on the dole they’re going to take every dime”
bzfd.it/2qojq7h pic.twitter.com/tNBl3FdJKC

So much for Hatch being a moderate GOP.

cozietoesie · 09/05/2017 21:57

Indeed.

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:00

Washington Post‏Verified account @washingtonpost 7m7 minutes ago
Opinion | The Daily Spicer: Let’s not "smear a good man." Let’s smear a good woman! wapo.st/2qXf9UI

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:06

Amy Siskind‏Verified account @Amy_Siskind 22m22 minutes ago
Oy boy !!!!
We are on the road to impeachment now.....
cnn.it/2pZlgKG
First on CNN: Senate Russia investigators ask Treasury for Trump team financial information

Amy Siskind‏Verified account @Amy_Siskind 17m17 minutes ago
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Specifically they are requesting from FinCEN to investigate money laundering through the purchase of US real estate.

Manafort made a $10mm purchase just after signing up as an adviser to Russia on wining US election www.wnyc.org/story/paul-manaforts-puzzling-new-york-real-estate-purchases/

Or Trump's $60mm gain when he sold his Palm Beach house for a $60mm gain to a Russian after doing no work on it: www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article135187364.html

Or the $250mm in condos Trump has sold before and after taking office:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/trump-owns-250m-condos-and-you-could-buy-one/100566302/

They are going after the shell companies. And done right, there is lots to find.

Money laundering and shell companies will set us free! #ImpeachTrump

lionheart · 09/05/2017 22:08

We are going to have to learn a lot about large scale criminal oraganizations, how they get their money and how they hide it.

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:09

Re Yesterday and Yates.....

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 23h23 hours ago
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Ted Cruz didn't come back for a second round of questioning.

Bill Shapiro‏Verified account @Bill_Shapiro 3m3 minutes ago
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@lauriecrosswell He was too busy scraping his pride off the floor

cozietoesie · 09/05/2017 22:10

Ginger

SY's performance was so impressive that I don't think that anything that Spicey's says can harm her.

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:10

WTAF is this in aid of???

Judy Woodruff‏Verified account
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WH spokesman @SeanSpicer says Pres Trump is sending certified letter to @LindseyGrahamSC saying he has no connections of any kind to Russia

cozietoesie · 09/05/2017 22:11

Sorry. Spicey.

(My autocorrect is trying to strike a blow for liberation.)

cozietoesie · 09/05/2017 22:12

He's trying to 'close things down'. Wink

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:13

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 6h6 hours ago
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Conservative watchdog files FOIA lawsuit for Sally Yates' emails hill.cm/Kfcizfa

Ridiculous. Can we say "fishing expedition"??

GingerIvy · 09/05/2017 22:15

Kelly Weill‏Verified account @KELLYWEILL 3h3 hours ago
Paul Ryan just entered the Harlem Success Academy. Crowd chanting "shame". pic.twitter.com/HlSHQ3gAaZ

cozietoesie · 09/05/2017 22:17

I don't know the American FOIA properly but I would have thought that that would be a dangerous - and unrewarding - request.

They don't like the fact that she came out of yesterday's hearing so well.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2017 22:48

Trump just fired Comey.

Developing story

Orlantina · 09/05/2017 22:51

President Donald Trump has fired FBI Director James Comey – a move that comes as the FBI is probing potential contacts between Trump’s campaign aides and Russian officials ahead of the election.

That doesn't seem a wise move.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2017 22:52

Recommended firing by Sessions and the Deputy AG.