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We can't answer this thread without revealing classified information. Trumpery trumped.

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PerkingFaintly · 09/05/2017 08:46

New thread, and here's the link to yesterday's hearing again.

Full transcript: Sally Yates and James Clapper testify on Russian election interference
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/08/full-transcript-sally-yates-and-james-clapper-testify-on-russian-election-interference/?utm_term=.8b4eaf12c960

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Lweji · 12/05/2017 17:36

Was serving US Navy Reserve duty last couple days at the Pentagon.

I hope they had some nice bushes there.

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:38

I'm almost prepared to open a book on any firing of Spicey being tomorrow, just before SNL. Grin

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:40

Sorry. I meant 'sidelining up' of course. Wink

lionheart · 12/05/2017 17:41

If Trump's people know what is good for them they should have a tranquilizer dart ready, or maybe a Taser, just in case he speaks to anyone else.

Lweji · 12/05/2017 17:41

If I was them, I'd prepare two sketches at least. Just in case.

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:42

I'm sure they've anticipated it, Lweji. Wink

Lweji · 12/05/2017 17:44

At the end of the previous FBI agents article on the Daily Beast

“The Orange blob in the WH doesn’t care about anyone or anything he can’t control,” said the former high-ranking official. “He’s made that abundantly clear.”

Nice to see an increasing respect for the President.

MsHooliesCardigan · 12/05/2017 17:46

Bigly I totally agree about TM and I think she's really dangerous. I think the majority of people in the U.K. can see that Trump is unhinged but TM manages to hide behind the facade of a middle aged vicar's daughter whereas, if you look at her behaviour and policies and her record in the Home Office, she is seriously right wing with more than a hint of a dictator streak.

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:50

'The Orange blob in the WH'.

Yes. Interesting language - even speaking unofficially.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 17:51

What happens to Comey’s documents and to investigative files that have already been gathered? Can they be destroyed?

Remember that the FBI is a law enforcement agency. Not that Comey’s office is exactly a crime scene (yet), but the culture is one that places a high value on preserving information, not destroying it. Particularly in light of a letter from Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee requesting that all documents pertaining either to Comey’s firing or to the investigation into Russia’s election interference be preserved and put off-limits to White House officials and associates (as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, specifically), the FBI is under an affirmative duty to comply, and a failure to do so could be considered obstruction of justice. In general, any official documents that were in Comey’s office relating to the Russia investigation, such as memos regarding investigative steps or conclusions, approvals for decisions taken and communications with field offices would become part of the case file itself. Personal notes, emails and informal communications would likely be compartmentalized, classified if necessary, and remain in the custody of acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

FBI investigative files are official Department of Justice documents and as a legal matter, cannot be destroyed. (One of J. Edgar Hoover’s legacies is that he never got rid of anything: The National Archives contains FBI files going back to 1908, including up to 17,000 pages of documents maintained by Hoover himself in his personal vault.) This would be especially true for a case that has two active congressional intelligence committee investigations underway.

As a practical matter, it would not be possible to destroy FBI documents anyway, since case files are electronic and not paper-based—so there can be no “accidental” fires in the file room. Files are also kept in a secure system that tracks all access and is designed to prevent unauthorized tampering such as alterations or removal, so you can step down from the ledge: Everything will remain intact.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 17:52

Cherry picked that from an article, as it's been brought up.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 17:53

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 22s22 seconds ago
AP: Associate of James Comey confirms that Trump asked for Comey's loyalty during their dinner at the W.H. apne.ws/2qAJXye pic.twitter.com/GuxiInYBU6

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:54

...and remain in the custody of Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe.....

Just so.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 17:54

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 2m2 minutes ago
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Judge orders Trump to share Giuliani memo on crafting "legally sound" Muslim ban hill.cm/YPbChJb

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 17:56

Have they set a timescale for that? (I couldn't see one in the piece.)

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 17:59

Scott Dworkin‏Verified account @funder 35s35 seconds ago
Trump: My family doesn't do business in the Middle East #WithFewExceptions

Doc: Ivanka Trump started selling her jewelry in Kuwait in 2012. pic.twitter.com/JzPoChNEJJ

lionheart · 12/05/2017 18:01

Matthew Miller‏Verified account @matthewamiller 15h15 hours ago
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Matthew Miller Retweeted Jonathan Swan
One thing I learned at DOJ about Comey: he leaves a protective paper trail whenever he deems something inappropriate happened. Stay tuned.

cozietoesie · 12/05/2017 18:03

The trouble with money - which 45 may not have realised - is that it leaves.....trails. Some might be more complicated than others but they're always there.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 18:05

WH Press briefing. Should be soon? abcnews.go.com/live

Lweji · 12/05/2017 18:11

Side note. It seems that there's a worldwide attack going on on IT systems by Windows. It seems to have affected British hospitals for example.
Nothing on the Guardian.

I wonder who and why.

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 18:14

Amy Siskind‏Verified account @Amy_Siskind 1m1 minute ago
Comey is having none of this #PutinPuppet 's lies. www.cnn.com/2017/05/12/politics/james-comey-dinner-trump/index.html

BiglyBadgers · 12/05/2017 18:20

Here is a statement from NHS digital on the cyber attacks. I got it off the BBC Twitter, not sure if it is on the site yet.

We can't answer this thread without revealing classified information. Trumpery trumped.
GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 18:22

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 9s10 seconds ago
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Historically black college cancels GOP senator's commencement speech: report hill.cm/s345Wrd

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 18:24

Sherrilyn Ifill‏Verified account @Sifill_LDF 4h4 hours ago
So guys...this just happened on 59th St in NYC. @melissamccarthy @NBCSN #Spicey pic.twitter.com/PtOpneSRGU

GingerIvy · 12/05/2017 18:24

Presser starting.