EDL....

[DandyFloss]

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

Yes...just as I note that white middle-aged men and young men have been peadophile gangs. Coincidence. They are child groomers...end of.

It was decent when I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s. I'm sure some non-Muslims are at fault.

Are you at least willing to accept that some Muslims are at fault?

Erm yes of course, that's kind of the point. Its only a few muslims causi g this tension (in the same way that its only a few white people causing the tension). Who on here has suggested that all Muslims are saints?

flaflafla I haved lived in dewsbury and live near Luton now. Yes both areas have some extremists but the majority are law abiding citizens without an agenda.

I can understand feeling self-conscious and vulnerable when your different race and dressed differently to everyone around you but that's how it must feel all the time if your a minority it's sad

Round where I work there are several very unpleasant gangs that don't confine their activities to abusing groups of girls: instead they go in for organised crime, criminal assault and murder. They definitely aren't Muslim. Should I therefore condemn all non-Muslims in the way that you condemn all Muslims, Flafla?

And decent means less litter on the streets? Everyone idealises the past. Not an excuse for racism. I don't accept from the elderly and it's even more shocking fro. Someone so young

Is their being non-Muslim a contributing factor in the crimes they commit in the same way that it is for Muslim paedophile gangs that target non-Muslim (in almost all cases, white) girls?

fla you are equating 'predominantly white' with non muslim then? SO for you its about colour too

The fact that you have, flaflafla, in this thread, proclaimed that:
Your old man losing a contract
Dirty streets and litter
Cheap house offers
Child grooming gangs...

...are all because they were "muslim" shows you are....islamaphobic.

of course I am willing to accept that 'some Muslims' are at fault ...because I view Muslims as individual human beings - and as individual human beings there will be good and bad and indifferent amoungst them

it's when you view 'Muslims' as some kind of borg - all the same, you begin to be racist

I'm off to work now so I must end by contribution to this thread. Yes some of us have to work on Sundays, it isn't a day of leisure for all of us especially in the north of England.

and there is plenty of evidence of Muslim 'gangs' targetting Muslim girls btw

It was decent when I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s.

Please tell me you aren't seriously trying to suggest there was no crime at that time and everyone lived in lovely clean streets with no litter? Because I was an adult in the 80s and 90s, I kept my eyes open, and I know different.

Really oh it is in the south I am in a hammock here

No, Newcastle isn't predominantly white. There are very large amount of people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and China. Also plenty of foreign students who bring their families over while they study, many from African countries. Many Polish and Eastern European people. And a fair few come from Middle Eastern areas.

arse, door,the, out, hit, way, your, on, the let, don't ...make a sentence...

Some parts of london are the same. You get the most amazing curry in bricklane. I love the edgie (sorry not sure how spelt) feel and seeing how the city changes, as it always had. I do have slight concerns since seeing what happened in kenya. Dont understand why kill children or woman or men.

Come off it, Flafla, don't try and claim some sort of virtue because you work on a Sunday. Lots of Muslims work on Sundays too, you know, including Muslims living in the South.

Oh ffs. You think people in the South don't have to work on a Sunday? Are you sure you're educated at all?

Isnt the edl a dance group.....

YouTheCat come on, you've read the posts you know the answer to that

I grew up in handsworth birminghsm in the 70s and 80s and it's a lot less racist now.

the main crime is gang in gang violence involving young English lads of Afro Caribbean descent.

the general population get along fine. when my elderly white Christian aunty died the whole road turned out and stood by their darden gates in respect. Muslim, Sickh Hindu and Eastern European.

it was the most touching thing.

there are evil and stupid people of all faiths and none and both sexes.

you are very unreasonable op.

So, you are now banging on about Sundays, a Christian thing.

I think you just hate every fucker.

Oh you work on a Sunday? But that is the lords day? I'm surprised a good traditional British person such as yourself would work on a Sunday. Oh well all Brits must be heathens then.

At least a 'Muslim' hasn't taken Fla's job - phew, the 'Muslims' aren't responsible for everything, then.