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I used to visit our ENGLISH WORKING CLASS COURT SYSTEM

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 15:47

to explain, the court staff tended to be middle class. But the defendants were mostly working class. Cant they catch the middle class wrongdoers. ? (I only only ask the questions....vicky derbyshire would like to be a judge

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LolaRennt · 19/06/2011 16:07

yabu

TheStallionOfSensibleness · 19/06/2011 16:09

you havent been to a safety camera court then!

or domestic violence day

or downloadng illegal images day.

messymammy · 19/06/2011 16:09

or murder cases.

TheStallionOfSensibleness · 19/06/2011 16:10

yup
sorry
it aint working here Gabster

Mamaz0n · 19/06/2011 16:10

I would suggest that there is a higher incidence of crime amongst the population on a lower income.

Whilst that does not mean that the "middle classes" do not commit crime, it means that when you take a snapshot of a court waiting room the chances are there will be a majority of people who would fit the social stereotype of the lower classes.

GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:12

messy across the bulk of cases JPs courts are 85per cent w.c defendants.

I supposepartofit is middle class have something worth staying legal for.

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:13

mamarth yes, you got it brother, or sister. or anyplucking thing inbetween

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:15

OF COURSE THE mc IN PRISONS GO TO OPEN PRISONS.....WE HAVE A TWO TIER SYSTEM FOR GOOD OR ILL

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messymammy · 19/06/2011 16:15

Perhaps the mc can afford better solicitors than legal aid will allocate to wc?

TheStallionOfSensibleness · 19/06/2011 16:16

no one gets legal aid any more ( hardly) so thats a non starter too.

redexpat · 19/06/2011 16:16

Well the jury are a random mix - surely that's the most important part?

Also probably depends on what kind of court you were in and what kind of cases you heard.

TheStallionOfSensibleness · 19/06/2011 16:16

id say most defendants are either from incredibly damaged childhoods/families

or

are just pretty thick
this crosses all classes.
the kind of ingenous criminal just rarely comes into it.

messymammy · 19/06/2011 16:17

oh ok.
I'm out of explanations so!

Mamaz0n · 19/06/2011 16:20

though i would say that just because a person has become disaffected that doesn't mean he is necessarily WC.

Drug abuse, DV, familial breakdown, job loss etc. They are equal amongst all social classes and are equally debilitating. Someone may well appear at court in dirty clothing, signing on and possibly high. His home may well be the well to do road you aspire to live on and he has just spent many years rebelling against his very MC upbringing.

Basically, appearance is not everything.

GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:20

JURY , JEWELRY, JEWELRY...I HAVE TURNED INTO JAMES SAVILLE....did jury service pointless case....HOW WAS JS sexually? I could never work him out.

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:22

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Mamaz0n · 19/06/2011 16:25

will it be in English?

GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 16:26

That is ze leading question

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K999 · 19/06/2011 16:27

Will it make any sense?

StuckInTheMiddleWithYou · 19/06/2011 16:33

Who is Vicky Derbyshire?

Andrewofgg · 19/06/2011 18:18

Not working class defendants. Shirking class defendants.

GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 18:36

yes a lot of young people in court hgave had horrendous childhoods. Vicky Derbyshire. Ask Ken clarke MP. she is 5-lives hatchet woman interviewer. Paxo with bloomers. sometimes more heat than light. If they bring back hanging Vicky will be in for the job.

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 18:39

OH someof you infer that my mind is more made up than some of you. Simple reason, I am 30 or 40 yeasolder than most of you. Get that dummy out of your mouths

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K999 · 19/06/2011 18:55

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GabbyLoggon · 19/06/2011 19:08

k999 THATS LIBELLOUS AND STUPID . pUB BAR WORTHLESS COMMENT. a tory? WELL, ARE YOU? BECAUSE ITS RELEVANT TO ME. pLEASE SPREADYOUR POISON ELSEWHERE.

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