Transphobic Christmas lights

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Can't believe more people aren't up in arms about the transphobic Harry Potter Oxford Street lights.

Apparently a mere 10,000 people have sent emails to London Mayor Sir Sadiq Khan demanding that he ‘pull the plug on transphobia’ and cancel the themed lights.

The Good Law Project, who are always at the forefront of good sense and well-rounded thinking are quite rightly outraged that trans folk can't possibly feel Christmassy when inanimate twinkly Christmas lights are mocking their right to feel festive.

Down with this sort of thing.

Research? You know the rules, show us the evidence.

It’s all so 2018.

Men on men violence is not a problem for women to solve
Do you have links to the research that shows they are at greater risk, as I'm sure there isnt any

Do you know this evidence exists then? Or are you just assuming it must because it aligns with your own prejudices?

Definitely a real one- I followed him for years on there, he was a good egg who respected women, our rights and our spaces. Some trans-identifying men are like this and we tend to appreciate their support and willingness to be their authentic selves. Last time I saw one of his Tweets, he’d just had an orchiectomy. I wonder how he’s doing now.

I’m sorry to hear that trans-identifying men are at risk in men’s loos, according to you. That isn’t something I can do anything about.

This, in absolute spades. If trans identified men aren’t safe in men’s facilities from men, that is men’s problem to solve. Not women’s.

Women’s spaces are not refuges for men who don’t want to use men’s facilities because of men.

Women have enough fucking problems with male violence against women without the responsibility of dealing with male violence against men.

Anyway, yay for the Harry Potter Christmas lights! 🥳 🎄

Who were these feminist foremothers who fought for toilet segregation? What did they do, what were their demands and when and how were they met. I am genuinely curious.

Yes there is loads of evidence. Go look it up and stop with the whataboutery

You can Google it if you like. Educate yourself. 🙂

@Bobafett2020 😂

so you will not provide evidence for your own claims but want us to provide evidence for ours.

1850 women’s sanitary association followed by others BTW

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-in-restrooms-and-facilites/

Translation: they're making us pee with the other boys and I'd rather DIE dramatically in the street than end up on a male ward at the hospital where I actually belong.
Waaaaa waaaaa waaaaaa

@Bobafett2020

Hope your google finger gets better soon xxx

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-in-restrooms-and-facilites/

Oh, and as for the whining about the lack of third spaces, if trans activists had campaigned for this 10 years ago I suspect a lot of people would have supported them.

But they didn’t. Instead they demanded to take women’s spaces for themselves instead, not giving a toss for the women who didn’t want them there, women traumatised by male bodies in spaces supposed to be free of them, or women who simply started to self exclude.

So women took those spaces back and now you expect us to have sympathy for those who don’t get to use the facilities of their choice any more? Tough tits, lads. Cope.

I did. It doesn't seem to exist.

That was more about building more toilets for women as they were already highly segregated and women were denied access to the men's toilets. Everybody keeps implying that the segregation itself was fought for by some feminist movement and I can't see any evidence of that. I have looked.

Yes I have seen this. But "In the mid-19th century, many areas of life were sex-segregated and gendered; the private sphere was for the women, the public sphere was for men.". This wasn't a fight for segregation, it was a fight for more toilets to be built that women were allowed to use. Not really the same thing

Well, I am not a statistician, but I can read, especially between the lines. And a study that relies on giving percentages rather than hard numbers strikes me as a study that is trying very hard to look as though it is saying something very important while actually saying nothing at all. Because as we all know, unless you know the starting figures then a percentage has no meaning at all.

I have just taken a survey of the people in my house and 100% agree with me. Which would be a pretty impressive statistic if there were 100 people in my house, or even 20 people in my house, but is rather less impressive when it is only me .

1 None of them pass
2 There is no evidence at all that trans identified men are unsafe men's facilities. There is some evidence from trans identified men who use men's facilities that it's perfectly safe for TIMs to use them.
3 There is substantial evidence that women are unsafe in vulnerable situations when men are permitted to be in there too. Mixed sex changing for example has much higher rates of sexual harrasment and abuse than single sex. Transwomen are men as is borne out by both the figures from the prisons whereby a staggering 60% of incarcerated trans identified men are imprisoned for sex offences (as compared to 13% of other males) and by the incidences of sexual assault by trans identified men in women's loos.
4 Most trans identified females use the women's or a "gender neutral" loo as they recognise that they are not safe in the men's. Unlike trans identified men.

It's almost as if sex is real.

@Bobafett2020 so according to the document headline of those surveyed 5 to 6 percent of trans people said they were harassed in whatever toilet, the very worst being 10%

so the vast majority were just fine.

in a survey off Bob, Jill, Sam and a couple of NB mates, perhaps, who knows.

fucking horrific innit.

You might have inferred that, but no one implied it.

I said:

‘I am grateful for our feminist foremothers who fought for the spaces we now have access to’.

We needed spaces for women. Feminists fought for them. We got them. The end.

If trans people and their allies had started campaigning for their own third spaces ten or fifteen years ago when the current ideology was taking hold, they could have had them by now. (And they would have likely had a lot of support from feminists). Instead they have wasted all that time shouting for something they can’t have, and managed in the process to make people lose sympathy for them.

Funnily enough I am a statistician and I will take a reputable study from the Williams Institute over your household survey anyday.

Literally everything you just said is false!