Has everyone seen the photo of the Archbishop of Canterbury presenting an award to Hafiz Muhammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi? If not, please have a look

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I don’t know what to say really, I just want as many women on MN as possible to see this picture.

Particularly Hafiz Muhammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi‘s wife.

There’s so much going on there.

(I know there’s another thread about the award and it’s subsequent withdrawal, I just wanted to start a thread to focus on the photo)

More than happy for you to mention them. But I think the charity on the ground will do more to help Afghan women than a thread on MN.

Ok so you’ve given a lot already, that’s great.

Meanwhile a female dominated site can and does effect change here and I’m happy with that.

Change is effected by people who actually care.

Why would anyone donate to Afghan women, in your opinion? Because you seem to be saying they’re living according to their own feminist choices?

Because you seem to be saying they’re living according to their own feminist choices?

Did I? Are you reading things in my post that aren't there just as with Debbie's posts? Which bit was satire in her post?

I do care. It doesn’t align with what you want but for women and girls I find it important. I’m glad this thread has moved on from the usual and in a way the image is stark enough to open the door for women to discuss it.

What do you care about? Genuinely not clear about that.

As said below I’d like to look to the twenty other countries including Denmark who have introduced legislation. Scroll back for more info.

I think the image in the op is helping women talk more openly about changes they want to see.

Ultimately, protecting rights both abroad and at home requires decisive policy decisions. While long-term diplomatic pressure remains vital for the women of Afghanistan, the UK must act within its own borders to uphold its core national values. Banning the burkha is not a rejection of diversity, but a necessary step to safeguard the integration, openness, and inclusivity that define modern British society.

The UK must now set clear boundaries at home. Those who choose to make here their home are welcome, but integration is a two-way street—and certain cultural practices, including niqabs/burkhas must be no longer allowed in order to align with British values of openness, equality, and mutual visibility.

I think you'd better go and educate Islamic schools like Barnett Hill Academy in North London, now getting state funding, who require girls as young as seven to wear the hijab as part of their school uniform.

They seem to think head covering for women and girls IS part of Islam. But no doubt nomas knows better.

Yes, it should happen, but it won't.

Those in positions of power and responsibility are too far gone down the road of tolerating the intolerant. Politicians are chasing the Muslim vote and we have sectarianism growing in our cities especially. Add in a big dose of fear, and I'm afraid I don't feel very hopeful.

When in Rome, do as the Romans.

Niqab is not part of British culture.
It should not be tolerated.
I am not sure which country will admit to being the source of it
but those who support that culture should move there

or adapt to the culture of the country in which they reside

Agree 100%

British culture is a blank slate that has always absorbed elements from other cultures. Without that we would be nothing. The niqab and burqa absolutely are a part of British culture and will likely become more so as the years go on and more and more people come to wear them.

Although I would totally support any move to assert British values and create a more cohesive society. I think quite a few Muslims would support this too as at the moment we're pandering to the most extreme forms of Islam.

Careful there, you’ll have Nomas all of a swoon !

I find it difficult to be happy for anyone who has been brainwashed from birth that they are immoral if they don't dress and behave how men tell them to.

That is incredibly offensive to the people who arrived in the British Isles as the ice sheet retreated.

Would you say the same of Native Americans
or Aboriginal Australians

should they give up the way they lived for centuries
just because intolerant newcomers hate women ?

We are not indigenous to the British Isles, as descendants of the Anglo-Saxons we are essentially colonisers in our own right. You cannot put us in the same category as the Aboriginals.

Educate yourself

The people who built Stonehenge, Avebury and Maiden Castle were here
before the Romans
who were here LONG before the Anglo Saxons

I don't know why you bother trolling this site. There are so many people who actually believe in the type of shxt you're spouting and many of them are in positions of power.

I think the “wokery cokery” needs to be a bit more on the nose because look at that Nomas poster - they were applauding and cheering Debbie’s posts.

Although maybe you can never go far enough: perhaps if it were suggested that we have “burka day” and every woman must wear one to show affiliation with her Islamic sisters (oh, and brothers and non-binaries) then we’d still get posters leaping up and down with excitement at the idea.

Imagine believing an entire nation’s history, literature and legal system are a “blank slate” just because you discovered curry yesterday.

Run along now. Leave the cultural history to the adults.

I think the “wokery cokery” needs to be a bit more on the nose because look at that Nomas poster - they were applauding and cheering Debbie’s posts.

And that was very funny and made it all worthwhile. All is forgiven, Debbie, mate. Give me some more flowers, you know you want to.

I suddenly got the point of Debbie