Has everyone seen the photo of the Archbishop of Canterbury presenting an award to Hafiz Muhammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi? If not, please have a look

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I don’t know what to say really, I just want as many women on MN as possible to see this picture.

Particularly Hafiz Muhammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi‘s wife.

There’s so much going on there.

(I know there’s another thread about the award and it’s subsequent withdrawal, I just wanted to start a thread to focus on the photo)

I’m sure you can..write to Mothin and enclose a letter for his wife …with an s.a.e.

So why bring up the US?

As for the head to toe covering including the face, I agree with the pp about not normalising it.

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Indeed.

You’ve just highlighted exactly why it is so difficult to have open discussions about this. You clearly stated your view on the burka, but then immediately brought up racism. Where did that come from?

Islam isn’t a race, and women who wear the burka come from many different racial backgrounds. It’s honestly becoming exhausting when people throw the word "racism" into a discussion when it actually isn't relevant. It feels like a defense mechanism or a way to derail the topic entirely. As someone of mixed race, I’ve been fortunate to have open, honest discussions about culture both at home and at work without race clouding the issue. In my experience, the people who try to shut down or police these conversations are often the ones with the least lived experience. Throwing racism into discussions like this just disrupts meaningful dialogue.

I’d honestly ask you to consider: which bothers you more? Being seen as or called a racist? Or checking in and asking questions to see if women are okay?

Because the impact of religious wars against women is extreme there, if your concerns are prejudiced this would matter to you too

Again, I’m in the U.K. I think it’s terrible what’s happening to women in Iran, Sudan and Afghanistan too but my level of impact is very low.

Considering the photo is being seen because this man said Bin Laden fought back against the Russians and US…racism is relevant as the highest level of US government spirited the Bin Ladens out of the US after 911…so the whole thing is built on fake outrage and hypocrisy…e.g. nuns, veils etc in western faith

Have you arrived on MN from another century?

So the people fleeing to the UK aren’t impacting you? That’s good ..but fake rhetoric about it is impacting the RNLI volunteers, Dover, Portsmouth etc..Lazy anti Muslim rhetoric affects us all…it permitted a genocide, a war in Iran that will challenge global security and more. Why do you think the UK is being told to spend so much on defence?? These posts aren’t innocent ..they are divide and rule ….you think new policing policies for the burqa boats protesters won’t cost you?

Why are you trying to deflect the conversation away from women’s rights in Islam and the reaction of the Archbishop of Canterbury to this issue?

If you don’t want to discuss this issue, perhaps find or start another thread.

I said women. Sadly it’s not many women who are making it from Sudan, Afghanistan or Iran. I’d change the system so we’d do humanitarian visas directly for them as Australia does. And they wouldn’t arrive on a very risky dinghy either, as for Aus.

What about this, what about that...
Evangelicals in the U.S, Catholic nuns etc. Protestors at Portsmouth. Nobody thinks these are good or good for women. But it's pure whataboutery.
Probably best to start a topic in the feminist board about the current U.S government and the backslide of women's rights there etc

There's no 'honour' in killing.

Maybe actually speak with Muslim women. Or we are going to have a UK compulsory dress code now?

What about fascists? People fought a war over that.

The photo is really disturbing and I feel that the Church of England is hopelessly naive and failing to speak up for women. Regardless of whether a woman ‘chooses’ to cover her face and body, why isn’t anyone talking about the deep structural misogyny in any culture that encourages women to be hidden from public view and basically unable to engage with others in a public area as they are so covered up? We talk about structural misogyny in other areas, but why is this overlooked when it comes to cetain cultures or religious sects? No church of England minister should be supporting structural misogyny.

Raped teenagers are exactly the same as Nazis. Honestly, have you nothing better to do than trolling threads? I'm not engaging with you any further you weirdo.

well again, we do as I can’t walk around in a bikini all day every day.

The niqab is banned or restricted in several muslim majority countries I don’t see why we don’t just ban it.

Do you really MHTMA's wife has a say in how she dresses? In the Lambeth Palace photos it doesn't even give her name underneath she is just his wife.

It was nice of you to join the thread Dame Mullally.

Imagine. She wakes up and decides she wants to wear a nice pair of jeans and t-shirt, for a change, leave her face uncovered. How would that go down with the husband? He will be encouraging of her choices of course.

I don’t think it is acceptable for anyone to tell women what to wear, whether it’s a bikini or a niqab.

I think Mulally was badly advised and aside from not making the award, it should have been just her and the awardee because women are also not appendages of men. I hate the prime minister bringing out his wife as some kind of endorsement for the same reason.

I hate the niqab and the burka and also the hijab, but Western women telling Muslim women they can’t wear it when we have no idea of the dynamic behind this woman wearing it is imposing our will in the same way as a Muslim man telling a British woman to cover up if she’s wearing short shorts or a bikini is imposing his will.

shocking photo. i also think it must be very detrimental to health to be constantly covered like that. Breathing and over heating difficulties in hot weather plus lack of vitamin D due to no sunlight on the skin. No wonder the UK has seen a rise in cases of rickets in recent years.