Terror attack on Berlin Pride

[HermioneWeasley]

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

Will probably be passed off as mentally ill 🙄

I genuinely don't think it's naivety, although possibly stupidity.

There are still (counter) protests across the UK campaigning for "Refugees are welcome here".

Disagree with them and you will be labelled racist, far right and shouted down.

I really don’t understand this. We all know those arriving on boats are largely economic migrants. If they were really doctors and engineers, as the left would have us believe, they’d apply for and be granted a highly skilled worker visa. And yet their status as “genuine refugees” is universally accepted in liberal circles, without any critical thinking, in just the same absurdly credulous way that a strapping 6 foot man with a beard is believed to be 15 and sent into a school, because “that’s what happens to children in war!” It’s like a form of collective madness.

And really, billions of people - very sadly - live in countries with regimes that would easily allow the UK to conclude that their lives would be shit if sent back. How many women in Afghanistan or Iran in total? How many political opponents of the ayatollah or Taliban? People’s fate shouldn’t be decided by a Krypton Factor-esque race to reach Britain or Europe. And whatever method we use to select, not everyone who wishes to leave can be accommodated - not enough houses, services or infrastructure. It’s folly to pretend otherwise. But nobody wants to have the conversation.

Yes, it's a collective madness amongst the progressive liberal-left. The people who believe in open borders are the same ones who will chant 'trans women are women'. Deluded and detached from reality. Unfortunately these people have a lot of power and influence.

The problem is that labelling people racist and far right etc is meaningless when it's bandied about as it is.

If people want to call me racist for having concerns about the state of the country then crack on, it means nothing to me.

If it was up to me I'd reduce granting of asylum to zero or near zero. We can't accommodate all those who would have reason to escape oppression (eg 20 million Afghan women, Christians persecuted in the ME etc). So we could help more people through the foreign aid budget instead of just accepting some who may or may not turn out to be criminals or terrorists.

It'll be the usual mental health track - a few months in a treatment centre then back on the streets to do it again. That's the standard pattern.

I am guessing (and please please correct me if I am wrong) that you are now at an age and at a level of knowing yourself where you tend not to give a crap if people call you a racist or far right or a giraffe.

Whereas for younger people being labelled a racist or far right could be devastating for friendships or social life.

I absolutely am.

And I understand that completely. Calling people names has become weaponised in the West and it needs calling out.

It's part of what I see as the divide and conquer strategy that seems to have been so effective in the UK. Right wing, left wing.

Except the people being called Right wing aren't actually right wing at all. They are just concerned and frightened citizens who don't like the trajectory of the country right now and the attempt by the 'left' to shut them down by calling them names is reductive and smacks of ignoring the very valid reasons people are concerned in the first place.

The more calling people right wing etc goes on, the more it becomes meaningless to people.

I agree that calling people right wing has been overused & has lost it's sting.

I know I'm not far right but actually pretty moderate in my views. If people want to call me names for having valid concerns, then so be it. I'm old enough to be secure in myself. I think the term "far right" because you don't agree with endless immigration into the UK has become meaningless to older people.

Younger people are probably more vulnerable to being hurt by name calling though.

Yes I totally agree. We've some very real problems here in the UK with immigration and people shutting down arguments with this 'far right' name calling isn't doing any of us any favours.

But the right deploy the same tactics against the left. It's not a unique phenomenon.

PP earlier made a point and someone responded "OH SPOT THE ISLAMIST SYMPATHISER" as though there is no nuance to this situation.

Except calling someone an 'Islamist sympathiser' and calling someone 'racist' are not the same. They do not have the same connotations, social weight or even legal consequences.

A complete list of all terrorist atracks in the UK.List of terrorist incidents in Great Britain - Wikipedia https://share.google/HFH3Aq71vxjMa0HXR

Actually, they said "spot the Islamic terrorist sympathiser". Which is offensive. And perhaps even have legal consequences as presumably that poster could report someone who they thought was an Islamic terrorist sympathiser?

Yes, and being accused of racism or Islamaphobia is possibly career-ending if you are in the civil service, police, social services or if you work in the arts and creative industries.

As above, they actually said "spot the Islamic terrorist sympathiser". Do you think that is OK to call someone that without any evidence whatsoever?

What was the context though? The comment seems to have been deleted.

The context was that posting a fact sourced from government statistics in response to an incorrect claim from another poster makes one an Islamic terrorist sympathiser.

Yet another case of facts being inconvenient.

Very much so.

Didn't that person blame Israel for all Islamist terrorism? Even from people born in the West?

No I bloody didn't. You are confusing me with another poster.

No that was @DrPrunesqualer

I didn't think you were called the Islamist sympathiser, I thought that was the other poster. Apologies if the comment referred to you.