Terror attack on Berlin Pride

[HermioneWeasley]

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

In Muslim countries I've visited, girls are not required to wear a hijab until early adolescence. Over here you see infants wearing them.

My son lives in Berlin and I knew he was going to the parade so I spent an anxious few hours wondering if he was OK. Luckily he went home early.

And yet Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Nigeria and Armenia all still exist.

He's a man who surrounds himself with people who are commie antisemites. He's married to a vicious antisemite. Was raised by two clear examples of bigoted antisemitic extremists (his dad is an unsavoury character - he's written a book about how Idi Aamin wasn't even that bad, actually). He has a pathological obsession with Israel. Plays consistently to the extremist anti-American third worldist crowd.

He clearly doesn't like Jews. He is in no way shape or form a unifier. He's an extremist, and that's part of his appeal to a broad at of his voting base.

So yes, he has more in common with the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers than with the average New Yorker. Again, it was the useful idiots / Luxury Beliefs crowd that got him elected.

I'm glad he was okay. My daughter wasn't there thankfully. 💐

Some of us have been saying this for years as we could see what was coming. We were shouted down and told we were prejudiced.

It should have been addressed years ago but all governments have been useless.

Now most of the uk population agree. It’s probably too late now.

I have recently heard from a former military personnel that their colleagues processing those who had landed, couldn't be bothered to do the paperwork, so told the migrants to destroy their papers.

Agree. Islam has taken over some countries, like Malaysia. Other countries in the ME that used to be more mixed, the Christians are fleeing for their lives.

Peter Hitchens warned that we will be an Islamic country within 100 years. Might take less time than that.

Trouble is, it's all happening to the poorest communities who are seeing the biggest changes. Therefore it carries on because it suits the vested interests of people with money and power.

Well we all sold the story that everyone can live alongside everyone else in peace and happiness. As LBQT+ will atest to in Iraq. So not here in London? Everyone must embrace everyone as that's moving to utopia.

I know three Muslin men who are without fault three of the most lovely men I know.

However I don't know any Muslim woman and that does pop into my head a lot.

Stabbing in Paris ! Apparently a pregnant lady and some girls ,he shouted Allah has told him to kill women .

Our tolerance will be our ultimate downfall.

I'm no racist, I'm not anti-immigrant at all, but I think that the channel crossings are clearly a major security risk both in terms of indivual crimes and terror threats (eg the IRGC being found to be sending operatives through that route).

It's also clear that many of those coming to the UK and Europe have criminal backgrounds or bad mental health - yes most of them are from countries with very different cultures in terms of their attitudes towards women etc, but even that doesn't explain it, if you actually go to those countries, most people aren't criminals obviously. So whether they're fleeing justice, or the authorities actually just point them at Europe and make them someone else's problem, I'm not sure.

I really doubt that many of them at all are genuinely fleeing persecution - at best they'll be non-criminal opportunists.

I also think the Boris-wave millions of legal low-skilled immigrants have been a disaster. I have no animosity towards them personally, they arrived perfectly legally, but it was a truly dreadful decision by Johnson and co, and a massive betrayal to his Red Wall voters, who very very clearly wanted far less immigration, not more of it.

No idea what the answer is, but many parts of the UK and Europe have changed an extraordinary amount in the last two decades, and it's largely not been a positive change.

How often do you see Ukrainians committing terror attacks?

Christians are being murdered en masse in many places now. Driven out of others. It's difficult to know where might be safe. I would estimate that any that hold out will face military force eventually anyway. The future will be a hybrid of communist authoritarianism and islamism all directed from the top.

Yes, so our cowardice and weakness is actually enabling the more extreme and fundamentalist elements of Islam. Crazy.

I've said the same about disliking Whitechapel and there are many MNers who are like "oh it's been multicultural since forever" , "oh f off Nigel" and saying "I love the food there though".

How do you know he had been brought up with Western values? And that he in fact regarded Germans as 'his own people'?

I grew up in South London in the 70's and 80's. There was a large Asian population ( including my family) We were Hindus, Muslims, Christians mostly rubbing together fine and minding our own business, as was the case ( until recently with Modi) it was in India. No one wore the Hijab. The Niqab was unseen outside of Kensington. Women wore brightly coloured headscarves. No children had headscarves. Successive governments have turned a blind eye to hardline clerics coming to the UK from places like Saudi Arabia and Iran, preaching hardline practices that hardly existed outside enclaves ( in London at least) like the rich Arab areas of Kensington and places like Bethnal Green, which had signs in Urdu, meaning that women never had an excuse to go out of the home or learn English because, look, everything is in Urdu. So they were trapped. Children could be taken out of school to translate for their mothers ( providing a convenient chaperone) and all this was allowed to happen in the name of tolerance, leading to where we are today.

Just because someone was born and raised in a country does not mean they have the values of that nation. There are communities up and down the UK that live in parallel to the rest of the country. They just live geographically in the UK but that is all. Speak a different language, do not dress as the rest of the West does, totally different attitudes to women, do not marry outside of their own culture etc etc.

Just waiting for someone to come along and say there are areas of Spain like that but the UK and Spanish cultures are not vastly different.

I'm sorry, I wasn't being serious with that comment.

Data from our friends in the EU clearly show increased per capita crime rates. And very sadly increased SA from the men.

You really think ‘agitators’ are the issue here? ‘Only one death' - certainly not for the lack of trying on the perpetrator’s side.
I read that after ramming his vehicle into the crowd he jumped out and started attacking people with a machete. 29 people injured, some of them critically.

The extremists make no secret of the fact that their aim is a world caliphate.

This young man was from a Lebanese family. When I was young Lebanon was a very cosmopolitan and free country, I had a Lebanese friend who was proud of being a Christian Arab, it was not a Muslim country although Muslims lived there.

In the 70s I was at school with an Iranian girl, her father was a diplomat and she had an American accent. Iran was not a Muslim country although Muslims lived there, the main religion was Zoroastrian, also Ba’hai, it is now an Islamist state.

Same for Afghanistan, Yemen, even Palestine all have become Islamist states in my lifetime.

These people want to do this in Europe, but for some reason our governments are more worried about offending them than preventing them, and I have no idea why.

17 years ago the Guardian published this article.

1 in 4 South Arfican men admit to committing rape.

1 in 4. And thats those who admited it, not those who may have raped but lied OR do not see force or SA as rape.

How are we supposed to live with these men? Rape is such a normality to them but again, we are not supposed to talk about it??