Seven PMs in 10 years, what's gone wrong with the UK?

[supercrone]

As an outsider, it's kind of fascinating to watch. The PMs span both parties, so you can't really blame one party or another. What's the problem guys?

I hope our new prime minister overhauls the Social housing system. They need to start checking social housing tenants’ incomes; why should people who are earning high salaries be in subsidised housing? My understanding is that income is only recorded at the point of applying, why not 5 yearly checks? Why the lifetime tenancies? It’s not fit for purpose and completely unfair.

True it’s not just us in a state of political flux. And no Brexit for France.

Although Italy has switched from changing PMs with consistency for Meloni.

I suspect we are more influenced by Twitter etc due to speaking the same language as the USA - I imagine if you are French or German your world will not have been so
dominated by every move and fart that Trump makes like we have here - much of it’s angering and annoying news but nothing to do with us

I read that Le Pen is on course to win the presidency, ankle tag and all. Is that right? I disapprove of her. If it’s true, though, it does rather put the UK’s political convulsions into perspective.

The French still have had recent political upheaval though.

Yes, free movement of people, although people defined as 'workers' and their family members have easier access to social assistance.

From your links;

11.1.2 Categories of persons who are entitled to the same social assistance benefits as nationals in the host Member State.

Equal treatment with nationals of the host Member State under Article 24(1) can only be claimed when the residence of the EU citizen in the host Member State complies with the conditions of Directive 2004/38/EC.
This means that the following categories of person are entitled to the same social assistance benefits as nationals:
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EU citizens who are workers or who are self-employed persons (or those who retain that status and their family members. These categories of persons are entitled to equal treatment from the beginning of their stay. ...

Which supports my quote from the Migration Observatory;

(2015) An EEA citizen who moves to the UK and is determined to be a ‘worker’ is immediately eligible for in-work benefits like tax credits and housing benefit...

If UK were to rejoin EU, we wouldn’t be overwhelmed by immigrants. Things have massively changed since 2004. Back then the countries, which just joined were beginning to build their economic stability. Now they are reaping the benefits of being in EU for over 20 years.
If you take Polish for example, who in 2000s were by far the biggest group of new immigrants, they are not coming back. Polish economy is growing rapidly and there have been predictions that by 2030 Poland may be wealthier than UK. UK on the other hand has been in decline since Brexit.
I don’t know much about situation in Romania, but now that Orban is gone, Hungary will also thrive.
I cannot see a massive influx of Spanish, Italians, French or Portuguese either. I think that they are ok and since the strong EU UK is gone, there is not much here for them.
UK is attractive for people from developing countries but not so much for Europeans.
Many of them have excellent free education up to postgraduate level, the housing is much more affordable, state funded health care is similar quality to NHS, if not better, and private one more affordable.

And why is that a problem? If you're doing the same job, you should get treated the same way. No preferential treatment based on nationality, for anyone.

Which is why I would like to see a contributions based benefits system. Makes so much more sense. And I would also like to see the NHS surcharge abolished. It's ridiculous that workers should be paying for it twice - once through their taxes and again through the surcharge - just because of their nationality.

😂

pointythings
Facts are so inconvenient

Unfortunately, your facts were incorrect.

Not at all, you just chose to put a simplistic black and white interpretation on them.

Is that you Russia? 😆

Apparently UK 1920s had simlar levels of change - also two periods in 1800s had similar levels of PM change.

1920s shift in two party system rise of Labour, new media, and poltical shocks - which has parallels with now.

For the curious this discusses how close the UK came to electoral reform (PR) and why it failed.

Puts contemporary anxieties into perspective (so probably not helpful to some on this thread, granted)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002xp4f

you just chose to put a simplistic black and white interpretation on them

Ha, ha, I think that was you.