Seven PMs in 10 years, what's gone wrong with the UK?

[supercrone]

As an outsider, it's kind of fascinating to watch. The PMs span both parties, so you can't really blame one party or another. What's the problem guys?

How do you define intelligence?

We had Johnson and Truss who did a lot more damage to the country.

I don't see what's a problem with changing PM.
If we'd changed Blair sooner we might not have gone to war.

Brexit - it seemed to unleash intolerance and racism amongst many people. Instead of looking at Thatcher’s privatisations, the banking crash, the austerity government etc., many were happy to blame immigrants and believe Farage et al.
’Not everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist but all the racists voted for Brexit’ …..and no one held to account for it - why aren’t they shouting about its success from the rooftops? What about the ‘Boris wave’ of immigrants who came after?
Also, the main stream and social media in this country are an absolute shitshow - poorly informed people believe any old nonsense.
We’re now an obviously corrupt country - 10 billion ‘misspent’ on PPE and no one held to account? Our assets have been sold off, no sovereign fund for our North Sea oil like Norway did - no - Thatcher sold it off. The uber wealthy not paying enough tax whilst those on PAYE have to.
Overseas companies owning our utilities and properties.
Politics has stopped working for many.
Were fucked - for now at least.

This.

And also this bizarre notion we seem to have picked up that "experts" = bad, the media, especially social media, = good.

We're not giving any of them a chance, as soon as the media turns on them, the general public blindly follows suit. We can't seem to accept or acknowledge that change takes time. No one can fix the mess we've created with Brexit and austerity overnight. It's going to take decades.

As mentioned above, it's the social media that now control the narrative in the UK. MPs are nowadays more worried about their jobs than the basic integrity or loyalty to the party/PM. Everybody in this country is addicted to SM and trends change fast. It doesn't look like that to this extend in the EU countries because their political systems are structured in a more stable way - you just cannot vote out your PM as simply as here, there are some legal brakes in place that prevent instability. I am also a foreigner and I still don't understand why Starmer is gone - he hasn't done anything wrong or scandalous like others who were kicked out. I can't see any benefits of this decision. I think the new guy will tank pretty soon when everybody is bored of him (yet again).

💯agreed. Starmer and Reeves are also very intelligent - it’s just trolling to state otherwise.

I think it's quite obvious that you don't.

The dictionary provides an adequate definition.

I don't use social media for information seeking, I look at the evidence and base my judgement on that.

It does but your definition is different.

How do you know what my definition is? You make a lot of assumptions about rather a lot of things.

Actually, I asked you what your definition is.

You referred me to the dictionary.

I don't recall we have had much interaction?

The dictionary:

intelligent
adjective
UK

/ɪnˈtel.ɪ.dʒənt/ US

/ɪnˈtel.ə.dʒənt/
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showing intelligence, or able to learnand understand things easily:

What interaction would you like? My views are quite clear. In my opinion, Starmer and Reeves are not 'highly intelligent' individuals. Their performance over the last two years supports my judgement. Feel free to disagree.

I am fine with minimum interaction, just wondered about your comment about my 'assumptions' as I don't recognise you.

We will agree to disagree on 'intelligence'

Brexit, definitely Brexit.

My roses are suffering - Brexit.

The bloke next door has put up wind chimes - Brexit.

I stubbed my toe this morning - Brexit.

My internet has been patchy recently - Brexit.

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You stated 'It does but your definition is different'. My response was that you have made assumptions because you have no idea what definition I have used. That is considered an 'interaction'. If you genuinely don't recognise that post then I would be very concerned.

You said you use the dictionary definition so I’m sure we’re all interested to hear why you think KS isn’t intelligent….

I am still not clear why Starmer is less intelligent than say Truss or Johnson, or even Cameron who started it all by running away.

Many things but a few thoughts:

Once we’ve had a few of these votes of no confidence type things, it’s become culturally acceptable.

We have a dearth of real adults in politics, who will say what they really think and fuck what polls and social media are telling them to say. There’s no one to get behind because they all just say what they think will win approval or avoid controversy.

We’ve had Boris lockdown parties etc, and people now know that politicians often are a vacuous, self-serving elite class, that care little about principles and integrity. British politics is completely broken.

A politically and economically ignorant population - easily whipped up by social media and traditional media which are two huge forces of influence that are almost completely unregulated and have no civic responsibilities.

The average person in the street doesn’t understand what’s happening and no one is taking responsibility for educating them. The official national education system was designed to meet some of the social and economic needs of the 19th c and is no longer fit for purpose.

Because the electorate won't face the reality, we owe £3 trillion and are spending £400 million a day on interest alone.

We can try blaming Brexit / AI / Immigration / Benefit cheats or incapable governments, but we won't vote for anyone who would slash public spending to a sustainable level.

The education system is hardly the same as the 19th century!

I'm trying to watch England v India cricket on Sky and it keeps breaking up - bloody Brexit!

Constant changes if PM suggest instability, which has a knock-on effect for the bond markets, trade deals and foreign affairs. Multiple problems.