Why is adhd not as "respected" as other ND conditions?

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I'm wondering if it's because autism can mean anything from what used to be called Aspergers syndrome and profound autism with profound learning disabilities and people with adhd are more likely to either not have learning disabilities or have learning disabilities with a separate diagnosis.

But Nigel Farage has been in the news again saying he is going to get rid of PIP for people with mild anxiety and adhd as their primary diagnosis. I don't think anyone gets PIP for mild anxiety, I certainly don't anyway. But adhd can be extremely debilitating and require PIP.

It’s ridiculous. Nigel Farage is an MP. He is in no way qualified to discuss how ND can affect people.

Listen to the actual paediatricians and psychiatrists over these utter fuckwits.

A large percentage of our prison population is thought to have some sort of ND. Maybe if people did take it more seriously in the early years we could stop young people turning to crime and set them on a better path.

Anxiety disorder is an umbrella term that cover agoraphobia, panic disorder, ptsd, ocd, selective mutism. Anxiety disorder can be completely debilitating and is not the same as Anxiety

I profoundly disagree with this. I believe they’d like to think they can. And this attitude is part of the problem.
Even for issues you can see, things are mis-diagnosed…. Obviously this is more common for things you can’t see/ aren’t physical.

I think the ADHD umbrella now seems to cover so many human quirks that it has become meaningless and, to be frank, ridiculous.

And if PIP to be awarded on this basis alone, it’s all wrong. Most of us have some, or even lots, of the ever lengthening list of symptoms and could probably be diagnosed. Can you imagine the problems that would cause; so many using it as an excuse to not even bother trying in work and life, making no attempt to find ways of coping. It has already started.

I’m sure I’ll be flamed but I don’t care. Mission creep has got into this diagnosis and it’s going to cost us dear.

I work in FE, I come across many with some traits of adhd not, unsurprisingly, been picked up in schools but due to often simple interventions not being put in place they haven't had access to the same opportunities to gain good exam results. There is no throwing chairs, but unengaged learners expecting to be put down instead of supported. It is very much respected in my workplace.

er no because the assessment relies mostly on childhood behaviour.

Yes I have a love hate relationship with my MH medication. Trying to convince myself I dont need it and its placebo effect.

You ‘think’? You clearly don’t know anything about this neurological condition. You do realise that professional physiologists make the diagnosis through around 4 hours of face to face time and multiple questionnaires? The daily internalised challenges faced by people with ADHD are not merely quirks. How insulting.

I honestly think sometimes people have an agenda on here about ADHD and want to discredit it as much as possible. I don't see half as many threads on autism or on other ND conditions.

The fact is and this has been touted by many charities and professionals, it is underdiagnosed, at least in part for women my age and last time I looked, only accounted for 4% of the population. Women are under diagnosed due to the presentation of our neurodivergence.

I don't receive any PIP or anything for my ADHD. I aren't even on meds as I choose to manage it my own way. Don't get it wrong, I struggle a lot but I do things my own way.

My diagnosis has eff all to do with other people and their opinions mean jack all. I couldn't care less if someone thought my diagnosis is an excuse for things. My diagnosis was backed up by old school reports, a neurologist letter and reports from people who know me.

To the uneducated posters who spout out absolute crap that everyone has ADHD now, your self important opinions are not facts, they are only your feelings. Actual facts hold sway. It only seems like that because people have made it more common knowledge and people talk about it more. That is not a bad thing.

Try putting yourself in someone else's shoes before you decide to be judgemental. It is not a trend to me, this is my life. And you haven't lived my life or been inside my brain to even truly understand any of it. If I could create a machine that could show you how it felt I would immediately. If I could be normal, I would immediately. You have zero idea.

Remember, just because it is not immediately visable to you, does not mean it doesn't exist.

This ADHD bashing on here has got to stop. It is cruel and it is ridiculously abelist.

Ive seen it myself and its really not that hard for parents to beat the system.
When kids are living off screens, red bull for breakfast and no boundaries, no discipline, allowed to behave however with no consequences and secretly encouraged to school refuse. Then the parents tell drs something completely different etc its really not hard.
Those meds are often sold as well and not given to the children.

Well luckily you aren't my Dr. I don't need anyone's validation or approval, it works so I will keep taking them.

Yes a family member of my partner has just had a diagnosis as an adult, he completed his own assessment with a private provider, his dad couldnt remember a lot of his childhood and he doesnt have a mum so there wasnt much triangulation of information. No school records or anything. So its self reported.

Sorry I'm not sure what your point is - that many of these
people don't actually have it

Twats self diagnosing themselves as ADHD on TikTok then making content showing it as reasons for why they are dicks- this is why people switch off when they hear the term.

I think the narrative around this actually dismisses the impact of peri menopause and menopause actually by claiming its acutally something else that has been sitting in the wings all this time and its actually ND of some kind rather than the sheer hell that is menopause for some of us.

My MH has been so bad that like a poster above I had to have a lot of time off and acvtually thought my career was over, its devastating. Ive now got to accept Im back on meds again for my MH.

While ill, I had symptoms ranging from those akin to dementia, cognitive decline, ASD and ADHD. Many of which have been with me throughout life due to my MH in any case.

Well firstly no one really listens to Farage, he isnt going to be in any position really for very long, he is somewhat inconsequential

Secondly, most of the prison population are men and no one wants to support boys in school with challenging behaviour, read any thread here and any male student with challenging behaviour is viewed as a perpetrator, needing expulsion, a misogynist, dangerous, red flag, safeguarding issues, every buzz word you can think of.

I think we forget just how complex almost all work has become. 40 years ago there were a lot of jobs you could do well with poor executive function. Now there are hardly any.

Even things like cleaning, if working for an agency, can require you to follow a list of steps in the right order and within a tight time frame. Elder care requires documenting everything, especially medication, where a slip up can lead to being fired. Even working a checkout requires you to multitask, keeping the items going through the till while smiling and engaging the customer.

These things can be really taxing for people with moderate or severe ADHD. They may have got a job in the past where it didn't matter if they went of script some long as they pulled it altogether in the end, and so they could get a job and thrive, but those sorts of jobs are a lot rarer nowadays so where they might have managed well enough in past and not needed financial support, they are now disabled by that change in how society works.

Questioning it isn’t “having an agenda”

More "unsustainable" nonsense.

Questioning ADHD in general? You don't believe it is a condition?

Farage will target all vulnerable members of society. So it doesn't surprise me.

I completely agree. All the women I know who are getting themselves diagnosed are just peri/menopausal. It’s going to damage understanding of the menopause which is already woefully misunderstood and dismissed.

“But that’s what you’re doing with adhd- dismissing it”

Yes, I am. I think what more and more people are classing as adhd and slapping a sticker on themselves, is well within the normal range of human experiences. We’ve moved on from “I’m so OCD” to “my adhd brain”. Something else will come along next.

Can you not understand that posters are questioning the prevalence of self ID with adhd these days? Most people who say they have adhd are pathologising normal human experiences.

It is like DLA. Lots of people get PIP with no diagnosis.

disagree, unfortunately plenty of people DO listen to him.