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Ukraine Invasion: Part 55

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MagicFox · 01/03/2025 19:58

We're on 55. Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ That last one went quickly!

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Igotjelly · 04/03/2025 21:26

MagicFox · 04/03/2025 21:25

Trump's address is at 2am GMT (9pm EST).

I’m interested too to see the Democrat’s rebuttal.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 04/03/2025 21:47

@DuncinToffee Oooohhhh boyyyyyy

let's see what actually comes out of this ...

Igotjelly · 04/03/2025 21:48

Give his friends just enough time to play the markets and make some dishonest money.

Natsku · 05/03/2025 04:47

He said he's going to get Greenland one way or another and made a 13 year old a Secret Service agent Hmm

Alexandra2001 · 05/03/2025 06:33

Hearing them shouting "USA! USA! USA!" made think of the rallies Hitler spoke at.

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 06:46

As I suspected he seems to have focused (in so far as one can when they witter on for 1hr 40mins) on domestic issues. I actually think it’s slightly positive that he didn’t feel the need to rant against Zelenskyy.

Arayofcalm · 05/03/2025 07:59

Alexandra2001 · 05/03/2025 06:33

Hearing them shouting "USA! USA! USA!" made think of the rallies Hitler spoke at.

I have always found the chanting a little eerie.

Arayofcalm · 05/03/2025 08:00

It has a cult vibe to it.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 05/03/2025 08:15

Natsku · 05/03/2025 04:47

He said he's going to get Greenland one way or another and made a 13 year old a Secret Service agent Hmm

He really is a medieval potentate isn't he? Demands kow-towing and ego massaging, vindictive, above the law, no concept that anything might be valuable in itself, manipulates the masses, wants huge personal wealth.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 05/03/2025 09:43

I've just seen that Trudeau said the Trump administration had been clear with them that the purpose of sanctions is to cause economic collapse in Canada so it's easier to annex. They are already refering to Trudeau as Governor Trudeau rather than Prime Minister Trudeau. They are absolutely fucking nuts.

PandoraSox · 05/03/2025 09:53

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 05/03/2025 09:43

I've just seen that Trudeau said the Trump administration had been clear with them that the purpose of sanctions is to cause economic collapse in Canada so it's easier to annex. They are already refering to Trudeau as Governor Trudeau rather than Prime Minister Trudeau. They are absolutely fucking nuts.

There was a good interview on Newsnight with the Canadian foreign minister. Canada will not stand for Trump's bullying.

heldinadream · 05/03/2025 09:54

Jeez where did you see that, @BringBackCoffeeCreams ? For Trudeau to say that out loud is extraordinary, he must think that there's no going back to normal now if he's willing to say that in public.

And for Trump to have said it to him...no words really. It just gets worse and worse.

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 09:58

heldinadream · 05/03/2025 09:54

Jeez where did you see that, @BringBackCoffeeCreams ? For Trudeau to say that out loud is extraordinary, he must think that there's no going back to normal now if he's willing to say that in public.

And for Trump to have said it to him...no words really. It just gets worse and worse.

Trudeau said it when he gave his statement yesterday afternoon.

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 10:00

It’s all very well for countries to say they won’t stand for bullying and I applaud that 100% but what seriously happens if Trump decides to go ahead and use military means to try and annex a fellow NATO member state.I’d like to think we (the UK and Europe) would come to Canada’s aid. Bonkers we even have to consider it.

Natsku · 05/03/2025 10:01

We would have to.

heldinadream · 05/03/2025 10:07

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 09:58

Trudeau said it when he gave his statement yesterday afternoon.

Thanks Jelly, I must have seen only edited clips. That's strong stuff from Trudeau.

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 10:10

heldinadream · 05/03/2025 10:07

Thanks Jelly, I must have seen only edited clips. That's strong stuff from Trudeau.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20250304-trump-tariffs-aim-to-weaken-canada-s-economy-and-make-annexation-by-us-easier-trudeau-says

dibly · 05/03/2025 10:10

Think It’s one of the reasons Starmer gave Trump the royal invitation, can’t see Charles being amenable to Canada becoming the US.

Arayofcalm · 05/03/2025 10:29

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 09:58

Trudeau said it when he gave his statement yesterday afternoon.

His speech was excellent and the first prime minister from an allied Country who openly spoke up. I hope the others are taking note

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 10:32

Arayofcalm · 05/03/2025 10:29

His speech was excellent and the first prime minister from an allied Country who openly spoke up. I hope the others are taking note

Agreed!

528htz · 05/03/2025 10:59

What exactly is going to happen with Greenland as well? Are Denmark going to send troops there I wonder. This is getting surreal.

The poor Canadians 😒

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 11:03

From my local Ukraine support group.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 55
PerkingFaintly · 05/03/2025 11:20

Yeah. Can see why.

Dealing with the Trump administration is so very like being in an abusive relationship: "I might be nice to you... or I might not. If you don't suck up to me I definitely won't be nice – and it will be your fault. But if you do suck up to me, I still might not be nice."

(Same technique widely used by personality-cult authoritarian leaders as well.)

Igotjelly · 05/03/2025 11:28

Reports emerging that Starmer, Macron and Zelenskyy might be going to Washington to meet with Trump. Also that Macron is going to do a formal address to the nation tonight.

PerkingFaintly · 05/03/2025 11:37

Arayofcalm · 05/03/2025 10:29

His speech was excellent and the first prime minister from an allied Country who openly spoke up. I hope the others are taking note

I think there's going to be a lot of co-ordinated Good Cop Bad Cop going on among the countries which attended the London summit.

This is going to be a long battle for survival (I'm not just talking about Ukraine now) and there will be plenty of fronts to fight on, using whatever works.

Media – particularly social media – will undoubtedly put a lot of energy into trying to stir up bitchfests between them, demanding people condemn each others' approaches. There are two possible motives: conflict=clicks; or divide and rule. Either way, we should expect to see a lot of it.

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