Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

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That will be interesting

And I just don't believe PA's excuse that he 'didn't know' about the accusation. I don't think that anyone would normally get within 100 miles of a member of the RF without being thoroughly vetted. Even Prince George's classmates are security vetted before they can play with him.

Either PA wasn't told (in which case his security weren't doing their job and were disciplined which can be explained to us) or he was told & he just didn't care.

Haven't RTFT but what was a young teenage girl doing in a house with 3 middle aged adults, none of whom are family or family friends, half way round the world from her own home? Just what?

Talking about the infamous London pic of VR and PA.

I hope he gets his arse handed to him.

sunglassesonthetable
Virginia is a victim of sex trafficking

If you don't want to read the thread, at least read up about this case.

Either PA wasn't told (in which case his security weren't doing their job and were disciplined which can be explained to us) or he was told & he just didn't care

Or he just rode roughshod over the advice given to him. That's my theory. Reading about him over the years, I think that's the norm for him.

Well... his prime defender won't be around for decades so he better get used to the idea that he won't always be protected.

It's said this lawsuit will take 5 years to get decided.

Haven't RTFT but what was a young teenage girl doing in a house with 3 middle aged adults, none of whom are family or family friends, half way round the world from her own home? Just what?

She was taken there by Ghislaine and/or Epstein?
And we have no idea how many more teens were there also

@Roussette I've pm you.

@sunglassesonthetable

Haven't RTFT but what was a young teenage girl doing in a house with 3 middle aged adults, none of whom are family or family friends, half way round the world from her own home? Just what?

Talking about the infamous London pic of VR and PA.

I hope he gets his arse handed to him.

From what I have read, I don't think her family are up to much; she was abused by a family member when she was a child so her expectations would have been different to a girl from a caring family. No doubt at one point she saw JE and GM as people who would care for her.

I can't get my head round Ghislane Maxwell, a woman, exploiting young women and girls. A documentary I have been watching, 'Epstein: Ghislane Maxwell's Shadow', is going some way to explaining it.

Plumtree look out for the podcast 'Hunting Ghislaine'.
It explains the Maxwell family dynamic in great detail.
There is also a docuseries coming out commissioned by BBC 'The fall of the Maxwell empire'

They are quite a family

*sunglassesonthetable
Virginia is a victim of sex trafficking

If you don't want to read the thread, at least read up about this case.*

I have. Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I realise she was a victim of sex trafficking.

I meant what possible decent excuse could there be?

@DuncinToffee

@Roussette @Plumtree391

Yep. My post was ironic. I know the story and have read about the case. I realise VR was trafficked.

There's also a new podcast (I think it's new) on Audible at the moment. It's called Chasing Ghislaine. No idea if it's any good, but might be worth a try.

Can't remember if I've listened to the Hunting Ghislaine one, but I'll have a look today.

Knitting yes I said about it to Plumtree it's 'Hunting Ghislaine' and well worth a listen. Fascinating actually. I don't think there's a Chasing Ghislaine?

I absolutely believe her. I hope she gets justice for herself but also in a small part for the millions of other women around the world who've suffered from sexual violence.

@Roussette

Knitting yes I said about it to Plumtree it's 'Hunting Ghislaine' and well worth a listen. Fascinating actually. I don't think there's a Chasing Ghislaine?

Thank you. I looked up 'Hunting Ghislane' and it's a book and podcast (for anyone who doesn't know).

@Roussette

Knitting yes I said about it to Plumtree it's 'Hunting Ghislaine' and well worth a listen. Fascinating actually. I don't think there's a Chasing Ghislaine?

There is:

www.audible.co.uk/pd/Chasing-Ghislaine-Podcast/B09888C91R

Oh wow, thank you Knitting and I apologise!

I did a search on my podcast app and it didn't come up!

(Now off to investigate further)

Ahhh... I know why, it's through Amazon Prime so wouldn't come up on my app.

That's ok. I heard an advert for it on another podcast and looked for it in the usual places too. Then realised it was an Audible one. I might sign up for the free trial just to listen.

I have Prime, but you can't listen to Audible without paying extra for it. Considering how much listening to podcasts etc I do it would cost a fortune because after one book you have to pay extra for each download. It wasn't worth it to me.

knitting It's also on Spotify too.

Ignore me it's the Hunting one that's on Spotify. Sorry.

Two similarly named podcasts about the same subject is really confusing.

Truth and lies:Jeffrey Epstein is a very good podcast also - it keeps the focus on him as the perpetrator and has interviews with victims and law enforcement who worked on the case.

Whilst GM absolutely was complicit. I wonder if she also experienced an element if grooming/coercion - firstly from her father, then from Epstein.
It will be interesting to see what cones out at her trial

I've always been a bit intrigued with the Maxwells, (not in a good way, just find them as a family somewhat unpleasant)
I'm old so I remember Robert Maxwell's rise to great heights and then his fall and embezzlement of thousands of employees pensions. So shocking at the time.
So I do home in on podcasts and articles about them.

Interestingly... the brothers have set up a website like a Free Ghislaine thing since she's been in prison and I've got a lot of my info from there as to what's going on with the court case.

I wonder if she also experienced an element if grooming/coercion - firstly from her father, then from Epstein

Yes, this is touched upon in the podcast. He was an unpleasant father, and she went for the same sort of man in Epstein.

@sunglassesonthetable

*sunglassesonthetable Virginia is a victim of sex trafficking

If you don't want to read the thread, at least read up about this case.*

I have. Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I realise she was a victim of sex trafficking.

I meant what possible decent excuse could there be?

@DuncinToffee

Ah sorry sunglasses, I misread the tone of your post.