Oh Prince Andrew is getting SUED by Virginia Robert's

[LaurieFairyCake]

That will be interesting

What happened there?

Place marking I think SamiReed1

I have read the comments. Upon consideration, my point of view is simply that one of them is definitely lying. And I'm not a rape apologist, nor a victim shamer.

@StapMe

"Why don't you believe someone who says they were raped and abused?" Because sometimes people do lie. Ask Leon Brittan's widow about "Nick".

That is a myth. Almost NEVER! It is SO RARE. It's not 'sometimes' it is RARELY.

No one lies about this. No one puts themselves in the public eye like this!

Why not simply take the default to BELIEVE the victims who come forward, instead of taking the default position that 'well sometimes people do lie, so I won't automatically believe them'?

@StapMe

"Why don't you believe someone who says they were raped and abused?" Because sometimes people do lie. Ask Leon Brittan's widow about "Nick".

Nick, who was a man, you mean. The fantasy story with highly unlikely murders thrown in for good measure. Not the same at all.

Did all the women in this case lie? They all got together and concocted the same story? They haven't elaborated their story for effect. The truth is bad enough.

@StapMe

I have read the comments. Upon consideration, my point of view is simply that one of them is definitely lying. And I'm not a rape apologist, nor a victim shamer.

Out of interest, did you see the PA interview? You thought he was telling the truth? In fact he was so credible that he's rarely been seen in the wild since.

It's not me Virginia has to convince. In order to win, she has to convince the court that she is telling the truth. Actually, I don't believe either of them, but they can't both be telling the truth.

I agree the car crash interview casts doubt on Andrews denials. Will any of that be allowed as evidence in court? Genuine question.

No they can't and I know which I believe.

@StapMe

It's not me Virginia has to convince. In order to win, she has to convince the court that she is telling the truth. Actually, I don't believe either of them, but they can't both be telling the truth.

That last post was in reply to this.

@knittingaddict

What happened there?

Place marking I think SamiReed1

That shouldn't be allowed, it takes up a space for comments. Watch This Thread exists specifically for place marking.

It sounds like... if PA didn't know she was groomed, procured, trafficked or whatever term covers it... it's perfectly fine.

Never mind the 14 year olds.
Never mind the promises made to them, the money paid to them, the physical threats.

A 41 year old man and a minor.

Space on a forum isn't really finit though. There is the option to start a new thread.

I didn't invent the idea and don't use it. It was just an explanation, since you asked.

@StapMe

I have read the comments. Upon consideration, my point of view is simply that one of them is definitely lying. And I'm not a rape apologist, nor a victim shamer.

Yes, one of the is lying. Going by statistics, there is 0.9% chance she is lying. 99.01% he is lying.

With those odds, who would you put your money on?

Saying "one of them is definitely lying"? Well DUH!!!

@StapMe

It's not me Virginia has to convince. In order to win, she has to convince the court that she is telling the truth. Actually, I don't believe either of them, but they can't both be telling the truth.

Actually, I don't believe either of them

There you go right there, not believing a victim of abuse.

You're a disgrace.

This looks interesting:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58186118

Hope it goes somewhere, but annoying that you have to start civil procedings in another country to make the police sit up and take notice.

@StapMe

"Yes, one of the is lying. Going by statistics, there is 0.9% chance she is lying. 99.01% he is lying" Is their a link to those statistics please?

I already put the graph in this thread yesterday, but I'll do so again:

That's a great graphic SamiReed1

A sobering one too. All those women with no justice.

@StapMe

"Yes, one of the is lying. Going by statistics, there is 0.9% chance she is lying. 99.01% he is lying" Is their a link to those statistics please?

Please look at SamiReed's graphic. I'm surprised you've not come across these statistics before.

No, I haven't come across that graph before. No surprise there, since I have been labelled a rape apologist. Sadly, it is true that too few perpetrators of crime are successfully prosecuted. But our justice system relies on the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

@StapMe

I have read the comments. Upon consideration, my point of view is simply that one of them is definitely lying. And I'm not a rape apologist, nor a victim shamer.

No, you didn't just say you don't know who is telling the truth. You also said, when directly asked why you don't believe people who come forward as victims that you don't believe them because sometimes people lie.

I really hope you never speak the way you have done on this thread to anyone in real life in case they are victims and hear you.

@StapMe

Actually, I don't believe either of them

You really are quite something.