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I was in prison in my early twenties, AMA

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 06:53

I was in prison about 18 years ago, between the ages of 19-22. I now volunteer with charities supporting female prisoners. AMA

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allthingsinmoderation · Yesterday 14:03

graceinspace999 · Yesterday 13:21

In this instance I was speaking in general.

As for OP. She mentioned that she was personally involved in crime while not realising her tenant was allowing illegal activity.

I am not convinced by this.

Firstly I have a great deal of experience living around criminals and in areas they frequent.

They’re generally not that stupid or naive and would know what the sub letter was at and benefit from it. Of course there are exceptions.

OP seems quite smart. She doesn’t appear that stupid or naive so the story sounds like a defence strategy

Given the sentence, there must have been reasons/evidence to contradict the ‘trusting the wrong person’ story.

OP does seem smart 18 yrs later! That may not have been the case as a 19 yr old though. She admitted to illegality sub letting but she was convicted of possession of a firearm.i understand we dont know what evidence there was of that and i would like to have seen the judges sentencing remarks . I understand you may not be convinced, but is it beyond all reasonable doubt that she knew what her tennant was up to? i'm not sure and i dont see whats to be gained from lying about that aspect now 18 yrs later.

Violinist64 · Yesterday 14:05

How did your parents react? Were they/are they supportive of you?

Violinist64 · Yesterday 14:10

Also, did you meet any notorious, hìgh-profile prisoners? Obviously I am not expecting you to name them.

Minasama · Yesterday 14:19

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 08:29

Were you a screw?

That was extraordinarily tin-eared of your company! They always say the only difference between the CEO and a criminal is upbringing, the personality traits are the same.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:36

Notrainingbutpouring · Yesterday 13:04

What do you think the appropriate punishment or deterrent should be for defrauding the state/taxpayer/other people in society who need housing by claiming you need a house and then illegally renting it out for significant financial gain?

Maybe a fine and eviction.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:38

Sesame2011 · Yesterday 13:56

Fascinating thread, thank you.

What happened to the flat?

Do you mention your time in prison when meeting new friends/partners?

Evicted from flat.

I usually tell people at some point. Definitely new partners. Haven't had one for a while though.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:38

Violinist64 · Yesterday 14:10

Also, did you meet any notorious, hìgh-profile prisoners? Obviously I am not expecting you to name them.

Saw them. I didnt go out of my way to socialise with heinous people.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:39

Mygiddyvalentine · Yesterday 13:48

Are you sure they didn’t Al Capone you and just pick the stuff that would stick to get you convicted?

Most of police information comes from CIs, very possible they knew what you were up to and just picked what would stick. Police tactic for the ages.

I dont think they were watching me as such like they were him.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:42

wrongthinker · Yesterday 13:41

Generally speaking, OP, your comments suggest that you have no real interest in being law-abiding and that any means of making money is okay with you and your family, and you're teaching your kids the same. Is there a limit to that? Obviously most crimes do hurt other people, but some are more traumatic than others. Are there things you'd tell your kids not to get involved in for moral reasons, because they would hurt people/ruin lives? Or do you focus more on just teaching them how to not get caught?

Why were you visiting the flat every week? That seems weird if you were subletting it to the other girl - didn't she get pissed off with you constantly turning up?

Of course i have a moral code. I'm not a sociopath.

I lived with my boyfriend but there wasn't a great deal of space at his so most of my stuff was at my flat. She knew that would be the case when she moved in. She was paying like £200 a month rent for almost 2 bed flat. There was a little room that didnt count as a bedroom due to size.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:44

GreenCandleWax · Yesterday 13:30

How did you cope with the lack of privacy in your cell? And did you always get on OK with who you shared with? Was there solidarity between prisoners, or hostility? I guess I am asking about the overall atmosphere. I knew someone a long time ago who was sent to Holloway just for two weeks following some political activism, and on coming out she said it was horrific. Thanks for the thread.

Lack of privacy was the most difficult thing for me. I didnt get on with everyone but who does? There is both extreme solidarity and hostility. There is a lot of bullying.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:45

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:23

But of course the jury’s job is to decide whether they believe the person knew they possessed it. How do you convince someone you didn’t know something? Many women - on the advice of their legals - will plead guilty, to get a lesser sentence. And also common (though maybe not OP) because the person who put the gun there may not be very nice. Plead guilty, take the punishment, stay safe.

The judge also directed the jury that as the tenant its basically my responsibility and that lack of knowledge isnt a defence. So...

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:46

saraclara · Yesterday 13:29

If you'd subletted it, why did you regularly visit the house? You said that you went there weekly but 'didn't often stay there'. Who did you visit, and stay over at all?

I had clothes and personal papers there. Sometimes id stay over for convenience.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:47

DopamineDeficient · Yesterday 13:18

Very open and honest thread OP, thanks.

I am also interested to know whether the man in question has since been prosecuted for anything else? Did he reach out to you at any point?

Yeah he's been jail a few times for drug dealing.

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:48

Cailin66 · Yesterday 13:11

Thank you for your frankness. Were there male prison guards in the women's prison? Were their relationships between them and the women prisoners? Was their rape?

Yes, yes and yes

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Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:49

Cailin66 · Yesterday 13:10

Sorry, it's unclear. You had the money to pay for legal representation but decided not to because you knew that the police were prosecuting you from a political standpoint?

I dodnt pursue appeals and knew id be found guilty from the time I understood they are targeting the women they see as enabling gang members in an attempt to get said gang members to stop or confess to save the lady.

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Cailin66 · Yesterday 14:50

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:48

Yes, yes and yes

Were the women afraid of the male prison guards? Did that job attract men who wanted easy access to vulnerable women?

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:50

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 13:04

Unfortunately I’ve seen a lot of cases like OP’s, where a (usually unwitting) woman is convicted (or more often pleads guilty for the reduced sentence) to possession of a firearm that some bloke has stashed in her loft/airing cupboard/laundry basket. Often - but not always - she might have thought he was storing drugs there, but not known about the gun. This was really common during Trident years and the poster - while not one we’d probably see today - was aimed at black communities where gun crime was much more prevalent a couple of decades ago. Mandatory 5 years minimum for gun possession meant lots of people - women and young men - on the periphery went to jail because possession is easy for police to prove if it’s in your house, much harder if you are the actual owner but had the sense to wipe it clean.

Yes. Pretty much this

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Pallisers · Yesterday 14:52

I really would like to know what charities/interventions you think help female prisoners.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:54

Cailin66 · Yesterday 14:50

Were the women afraid of the male prison guards? Did that job attract men who wanted easy access to vulnerable women?

Not particularly male guards. People who want easy access to vulnerable targets are often attracted to that job.

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fartotheleftside · Yesterday 14:56

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:49

I dodnt pursue appeals and knew id be found guilty from the time I understood they are targeting the women they see as enabling gang members in an attempt to get said gang members to stop or confess to save the lady.

You’re saying you were wrongfully convicted, yet thought appealing would be pointless because the police had their own agenda? It sounds like a conspiracy theory. It’s really common for prisoners to come up with this stuff to “justify” why they’re in prison and it’s always through no fault of their own.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:57

Pallisers · Yesterday 14:52

I really would like to know what charities/interventions you think help female prisoners.

Women in Prison and Not Beyond Redemption are 2 I endorse.

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RedRock41 · Yesterday 14:57

Really interesting thread:

Why did you have a Council Flat at 19? Were you rehoused upon release?

Were you the first person in your family to spend time in jail?

Looking back, how do you feel about your time in jail? What emotions if any does that period bring up?

Feminism is something you discovered. In what way did you connect this to your incarceration?

Did your boyfriend at the time stand by you?

Did the chap with the guns ever get in contact?

You say only a few should go to jail. What deterrent would there be if your model was implemented?

What advice would you give your 18 year old self?

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 14:57

fartotheleftside · Yesterday 14:56

You’re saying you were wrongfully convicted, yet thought appealing would be pointless because the police had their own agenda? It sounds like a conspiracy theory. It’s really common for prisoners to come up with this stuff to “justify” why they’re in prison and it’s always through no fault of their own.

I wasnt wrongfully convicted. I was the tenant of the house where the gun was.

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fartotheleftside · Yesterday 14:58

Have you spoke to the media about this before?

PickleJelly · Yesterday 14:58

Were you bullied? Is there a way to avoid it?

With regards to the sexual exploitation that you witnessed, was that by the guards or other prisoners?

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