Views on androgen insensitivity and women’s sport participation

Chromosomal blueprint is precisely how sex is determined. The chromosomes are the hard drive.

Age 5 to 10 girls are better than boys on balance and flexibility.
Age 11 to 13 girls can be stronger than boys because of earlier puberty.

I think mixed teams in team sports at a young age are a very good idea. A school which can't put together 11 boy footballers plus subs of a similar age can't play 11 a side football. A school which can put together 11 children can.

Did you watch the video you pointed to?

It says the testes aren't removed these days.

That's the point, LTF.

The whole point. No specific thing makes anyone male or female except their genes, and those can't be changed.

That is fair. But then how would you encourage girls into sport? We are not just talking physically, but especially in primary/early secondary schools, boys want to “play with the girls”. You see it in primary school playgrounds everywhere. It’s not often the boys and girls play the same games.
school teams yes, but again, we would have to unpick a lot of social conditioning for both groups to ensure girls get equal opportunities in mixed teams.

The Q angle in some men is higher than the Q angle in some women.

There will be women with a throwing action more like a man's and men with a throwing action more like a woman's.

It isn't helpful, imo, for skeletons to be brought into these discussions of how you tell men from women, because unlike testosterone, there is always an overlap and the argument can always be defeated.

If CAIS is over represented in elite sports, then it is giving an advantage. That’s the bottom line, and nothing you say can change that or make it ok.

Completely agree, CAIS is rightly banned, and I think PAIS should have joined it.

I think that's a completely different question and a cultural one not a physical one.

You were the one advocating for mixed sex teams and how it would be good for children.

Yes, from the point of view that physically there would be no reason not. If you want a thread discussing how to get more girls into sport, start one. This is a thread about trans issues and sport.

I can say what I want Thankyou very much. And the threa is actually about VSD. Did you not read the OP. I know you’re a bit salty I pointed out the flaws in your argument but we all should accept feedback gracefully.

Men should have the right to take part on women’s sports if they feel like it

No

What about these men?

No

or these men?

No

what about those men?

No

these men must surely be allowed?

No

this group of men are an exception?

No

ad infinitum

That's the eternal question isn't it? Why so much concern about whether we are being fair to one male person and so little concern about whether we are being unfair to four billion female ones.

what about men who have superficial resemblance to women

still No

How do you account for their over representation then?

And the video you linked says that removing the testes is outdated and shouldn’t be done until there’s a clear need.

I understand your empathy, but don’t think it should allow men to compete in women’s sports.

It is not ‘nuance’ to demand men be allowed to destroy women’s sports.

Quite a few posters on this thread are insistent that a person with CAIS is male but this is not the medical consensus. The NHS says the following

Complete insensitivity to androgens makes a person with XY chromosomes female. Partial insensitivity to androgens can mean that some people are male and others are female.

I've seen various discussions about the studies that show CAIS is over represented in sports and there is some doubt about whether the studies correctly distinguished between CAIS and PAIS which may mean that it's PAIS and not CAIS that is over represented. (The discussions were between sex realist biologists including Emma Hilton )

In relation to sports its the difficulty in distinguishing CAIS and PAIS that is a problem. I suspect that the people who used to scout for 5ard males to compete in women's sport have already started to look for PAIS males hoping to have them classified as CAIS.