Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

Very many thanks to all. @nauticant I salute you! I appreciate the links and commentary, TT and the great cut and pasters @BettyBooper @fanOfBen @SomewhatGlad .
What a read! I'm just catching up.

I don't know how you all manage, it gives me RSI.

Well done you lot.

Wow thank you all for the cutting and pasting and commentary. As always, very grateful.

(Sorry have been MIA, RL stuff getting in the way)

Fist bumps all round, wims.

I am "half hope, half agony" as to whether it, and the new P&P, will be any good. The Netflix Persuasion one was utter shite.

Is the new P&P the one with the profoundly irritating they/them Emma corrin?

I could do a little c/p next week, but not for more than an hour in total a day. Two half hours would be even better. That's all I could cope with - I have no idea how @BettyBooper and @fanOfBen manage.
Mind, I am old and have Long Covid.

How TTs can do this is just amazing. I remember when I was at school we were told that simultaneous translators at places like the UN can work only for 15 minutes at a time before they get a break. Do they spell each other?

Does "spell" make sense? It's not a word I've seen used recently. It would mean at least two people were available all the time, and when one had concentrated for long enough another would take over - turn and turn about, another phrase which might have gone out of usage. I told you I was old.

At the moment I would not be free to do it on Monday afternoon (dentist), Wednesday (work, although I retired years ago) and on Friday morning. I can't remember anything else next week without consulting my diary.

My friend does live subtitling. I don't know how they do it. They 'speak' the news into a microphone and it converts it into subtitles. A very intense job, used to be done by stenographers but how the technology has moved on.

Epic summary from Nick https://genderblog.net/peggie-v-rcn-day-3-unprovan/?utm_source=noptin&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Post%20Notification%20-%20Peggie%20v%20RCN%20Day%203:%20%20unProvan

Plus in other news Sex Matters had a result in their case against the DPP/CPS on guidance on deception as to sex https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/judgment-in-our-case-about-guidance-on-sexual-consent/

Whilst the case was dismissed the Judge issues a stinging rebuke to the CPS.

SP, having been told at the previous judgment that she should have loudly and clearly (and very very politely) stated that she had reasonable cause to invoke her right to single sex spaces and not get her kit off in front of the bloke trying to insist on it...

also should have declared loudly to all that it was a Firmly Held Belief

A belief that was so firmly held that the fragrant Dr Upton required an escort back to his car lest he dissolve in fear of it, yet also not so firmly held that the RCN believed it was firmly held enough to support it ... or just that it was the Wrong Side of Firmly Held Belief.

Even in a female dominated union the weasly mediocre men manage to grift to the top and call the shots.

Another one thanking everyone for their c & p & keeping us all updated.

Thanks for the excellent summary and insight.

From Genderblog

Provan told the court:

“I am aware this has been a contentious issue among members with views strong views on both sides. From a corporate organisational side I have never in my role as a senior manager had any impression that the RCN prefers one side over the other. We provide support to people whose rights are protected under the Equality Act and I have never encountered anything in the organisation which suggests other than that.”

... as spontaneous thick smoke and flames shot from his trousers (my edit)

I've just read Nick W's round up of today's shenanigans, not having heard any of it live myself, but did Provan seriously suggest that the colours of women's suffrage could be incorporated into the Progress Pride flag & the RCN would sell such merch?

Perhaps MN could let us have the "funny" reaction just on FWR, if it's not suitable for everywhere.

Yes, they did...

I might not be free to c/p on Monday morning as DH has just come home, and mentioned that we might be out late on Sunday if I go with him. 😁

Best say not on Monday at all.

It was a laughable moment!

Interesting to see he's been in his powerful post as "Associate Director for Employment Relations" in the RCN for 18 years! So that covers all the years where the revelations of bullying, misogyny & sexual harassment of women in the RCN occurred.

Hmmmm.

I say again, please MN, let FWR have the "funny" button.

They'd worry we'd use it at the TRAs for the reason that they banned it.

And to be fair, we would.

Ah, I didn't realise there was its use on a specific board that meant it was banned. I understand in that case.

It's a shame there are so few options. I need all the existing four, and I imagine others do too, otherwise FWR people could decide to use one of them to show their appreciation when someone makes them smile. I'll have to continue to use "thanks" for that as well as thanking someone for the point/suggestion/link/etc they made.

Definitely no shouting. You must submit your objection in the approved format¹ at the correct time².

¹ Silently. In triplicate: Linear A, Pushkarasari, and Cretan hieroglyphs. On a 5 3/4" floppy disk, or an abacus.

² You will not be told when this is until it is time for you to be told you had to do it earlier.

No it was generally used across the boards to take the piss out of stupidity, and people got upset. Which was ridiculous but here we are.

There are some very thin skinned stupid people about, and they won that one.

Which meant you couldn't also use it as an appreciation of a genuine funny, which I also did.