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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

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nauticant · 24/09/2026 13:07

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

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KTheGrey · 25/09/2026 12:41

MarieDeGournay · 25/09/2026 12:39

'I see no ships'.
OK I'm going to stop quoting things all the time now, it could become tiresomeGrin

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That quote is very apt though.

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 12:43

KTheGrey · 25/09/2026 12:32

Whatever happens there’s a problem with what’s provided by unions in exchange for membership payment. It’s visible in other unions as well.

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My dad worked in the same field as I did. He advised me always to join a union, and, unless I had strong views one way or another, make it the one that most of my colleagues were in.

So I did, for over 30 years, with the last 23 years in the same place and in the same large national union.

When there was an issue with my employers trying to make either me or a colleague redundant I contacted that union for the first time ever. They knew less about the issue than I did. Their advice was hopeless.

(Admittedly I have postgraduate qualifications in law and legal practice, but my law was at least ten years out of date, and surely I was asking something very basic which must crop up all the time.)

Hedgehogforshort · 25/09/2026 12:47

Seems to me that the RCN had very wide discretion indeed.

Looking forward to NC this afternoon.

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:48

This was in NW's tweet at the end of NP's evidence

'We provide support to people whose rights are protected under the EQA and I have never encountered anything in the organisation which suggests other than that.'

Seriously?????!!!!!

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 12:50

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:48

This was in NW's tweet at the end of NP's evidence

'We provide support to people whose rights are protected under the EQA and I have never encountered anything in the organisation which suggests other than that.'

Seriously?????!!!!!

So... What does he think he's sitting in a tribunal witnesses box for exactly?

Cailleach1 · 25/09/2026 12:50

DauntlessDamson · 25/09/2026 12:39

Not directly relevant as SP was not able to use the union's legal services, but an interesting snippet from earlier in Nick W's thread

"DH who are Anderson Strathern? NP they do all external RCN union work in Scotland. It goes to tender, but they've held the contract for a long time. We do use other providers when there is an AS conflict of interest. AS source those legal providers for us". (my bold)

What a cosy little arrangement!

Indeed. If there is a conflict of interests in the first instance, that will still be their viewpoint as they favour, and bring in others of their special choosing. Hardly objective, or seen to have ‘mani pulite’. There may be a whole first and second tier of their cronies, for whom they dish out these jobs.

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 12:51

Anyone else want Naomi to break the fourth wall and do a little monologue for us?

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:54

I can only c&p until about 3pm today. Is anyone able to take over at that point?

Hedgehogforshort · 25/09/2026 12:55

Lacksie · 25/09/2026 12:41

What do you mean by "claimed to be a trans woman"?

Was this post meant for the Hampstead’s ponds thread?

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:56

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 12:50

So... What does he think he's sitting in a tribunal witnesses box for exactly?

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This, in itself, is evidence of just how captured they are.

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 12:58

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:56

This, in itself, is evidence of just how captured they are.

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It appears he has yet to have his moment of clarity.

Mitchell And Webb Are We The Baddies GIF by Giphy QA
Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 13:04

I hope Naomi twists him into knots with his responses this afternoon.

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nauticant · 25/09/2026 13:07

Hedgehogforshort · 25/09/2026 12:55

Was this post meant for the Hampstead’s ponds thread?

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It's a question about the OP:

Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

Since we don't have a window into Dr Upton's soul, the OP is being factual by referring to self-evident reality. It respects what Dr Upton asserts.

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ickky · 25/09/2026 13:10

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 12:51

Anyone else want Naomi to break the fourth wall and do a little monologue for us?

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I would love it if she gave the camera a raised eyebrow.

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:13

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 12:54

I can only c&p until about 3pm today. Is anyone able to take over at that point?

I can. Is it just TT or do I need to find and copy Nick Wallis's comments as well?

Conxis · 25/09/2026 13:15

So surely if the RCN had had no involvement in supporting these sorts of cases before (appear to distance themselves from getting involved)
then SF should instantly have escalated this for legal advice as beyond his scope?
So whether or not they couldn’t support her later surely is irrelevant as RCN took the wrong initial action! Is that the basis of this claim, anyone know?

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 13:25

People starting to return to tribunal room now.

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 13:27

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:13

I can. Is it just TT or do I need to find and copy Nick Wallis's comments as well?

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Oh thanks! Just TT, or it gets confusing. (Though a block of NW's comments are good, I'll see if I can get this mornings...)

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:29

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 13:27

Oh thanks! Just TT, or it gets confusing. (Though a block of NW's comments are good, I'll see if I can get this mornings...)

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Thank you, I ought to be able to manage that. ☺

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:31

Oooh. Not NC this afternoon perhaps.

Edit - false alarm. She's just sitting in a different seat.

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 13:32

And we're off

Go Naomi.

<waves pompoms>

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 13:33

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:29

Thank you, I ought to be able to manage that. ☺

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Good luck! The formatting can go a bit squiggly when you c&p, but it's easy enough to sort. Thanks again.

Me managing to bring over NW's tweets otoh... who am i trying to kid? 😂

SomewhatGlad · 25/09/2026 13:33

This is starting well.

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2026 13:34

"I don't recall" makes an early appearance

BettyBooper · 25/09/2026 13:35

This morning's last session can be found here: https://x.com/threadreaderapp/status/2103446965027532984?s=20 We anticipate a 1.30pm start this afternoon

We resume.

NC as you know will ask q for SP going to start where Mr Hay ended with the story of LM and how she came to leave RCN
NC you said you had a good working relationship with LM and you liked each other
NP yes
NC an honest person
NP yes

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