Kenwood Ladies Pond Authoritarians

Do the ponds qualify as an association under the Equality Act or a service provider?

Under the Equality Act 2010, an association is defined as an organization or group of people that has at least 25 members and uses specific rules and a genuine selection process to control who can join

You don't need to be a member to swim at the ponds so it doesn't seem that the rules for associations would apply here.

Even if it did fall within the association rules what would the legitimate aim be for allowing trans identified men to use the women's pond. It's becomes mixed sex so the legitimate aims of providing single sex swimming don't apply.

I am saying that it is perfectly legal to have swimming sessions which include women and transgender people, which is what they are doing. They are specifically saying it's not single sex. That's what the guidance allows.

“Although our consultation was never a referendum, the message from regular swimmers and the wider community was clear – people want these Ponds to remain safe, respectful and inclusive.

“Whilst the Supreme Court judgment confirmed the legal definition of ‘sex’, it did not decide that all trans inclusive services must become single-sex services.

“We have continued to listen and take detailed legal advice throughout this process. The approach agreed today protects the character and unique spirit of the Ponds while ensuring they remain welcoming to all.”

It's here. You can have Muslim Women swimming, transgender and women swimming, Christian men swimming, etc.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/guidance/codes-practice/code-practice-services-public-functions-and-associations/chapter-twelve#associationsmayrestrictmembershiptopersonswhoshareaprotectedcharacteristic

So women can go and swim in the men’s pond? If not why not? If men can swim in all three ponds, so can women. I can see a visit in my near future…

That's exactly what women have tried to do - twice (at least) and been thrown out of the Men's Pond for doing so. Man Friday - i think even the police were called.

That’s outrageous! So men get 3 ponds, women get 2. Because verities assume no one is going to question any man using the ladies pond.

I am saying that it is perfectly legal to have swimming sessions which include women and transgender people, which is what they are doing. They are specifically saying it's not single sex. That's what the guidance allows.

“Although our consultation was never a referendum, the message from regular swimmers and the wider community was clear – people want these Ponds to remain safe, respectful and inclusive.

“Whilst the Supreme Court judgment confirmed the legal definition of ‘sex’, it did not decide that all trans inclusive services must become single-sex services.

“We have continued to listen and take detailed legal advice throughout this process. The approach agreed today protects the character and unique spirit of the Ponds while ensuring they remain welcoming to all.”

“Whilst the Supreme Court judgment confirmed the legal definition of ‘sex’, it did not decide that all trans inclusive services must become single-sex services.

No, the services can be mixed sex. They can't, however, invoke the SSEs while also being mixed sex. Basic logic, really.

That’s outrageous! So men get 3 ponds, women get 2. Because verities assume no one is going to question any man using the ladies pond.

I think though it would then have to be clear that all three pools were mixed sex.

Which as SCJ mentioned, could give rise to claims on the basis of indirect discrimination against women.

And the issue is, let's be honest, the desire to use the SSE, on the basis of sex, and name it as the WOMENS space, to then permit some men's identities to be gratified by everybody pretending to think they are women and letting them where only women are supposed to go.

The desired goal is that experience for men, using those women and a designated women's space, which then harms and excludes women to provide them as a resource and service for those men on a sexed basis.

Tis problematic.

If you want to call it a women's facility then you have evoked the SSEs.

I am saying that it is perfectly legal to have swimming sessions which include women and transgender people, which is what they are doing. They are specifically saying it's not single sex. That's what the guidance allows.

“Although our consultation was never a referendum, the message from regular swimmers and the wider community was clear – people want these Ponds to remain safe, respectful and inclusive.

“Whilst the Supreme Court judgment confirmed the legal definition of ‘sex’, it did not decide that all trans inclusive services must become single-sex services.

“We have continued to listen and take detailed legal advice throughout this process. The approach agreed today protects the character and unique spirit of the Ponds while ensuring they remain welcoming to all.”