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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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walkthedino · Today 15:24

I saw the below tweet today and agreed with a lot of it. I wondered what people on this forum thought.

I have copied and pasted so the post doesn’t have to wait for a screenshot to be approved:

My trans positions are VERY CONTROVERSIAL because they are so dead moderate they make both cocaine-fueled extremes angry.

✅ Yes, most children are being overmedicalized. But rare true trans children deserve help or they psychologically shatter
✅ No, trans women do not belong in professional sports. But it’s hateful to call them men.
✅ Trans women are not automatically women. But with hard work and medical intervention, most of us can have fulfilling lives where people perceive us as women.
✅ Self-ID must end. Women’s feelings and safety matter, so if you cannot use the ladies non-disruptively - don’t.
✅ If you can’t understand why women should never see a penis in a locker room, you’re mentally still a man.
✅ We need research to figure out what is happening with this explosion of non-binary identities. They are not trans, and it’s medical malpractice to give them transsexual healthcare.
✅ You have to do the work to be percieved as a woman. Far left politics cannot do this work for you.

I promise you. The overwhelming majority of the public agrees with all of this. If trans people will go back to the non-insane positions of ten years ago, things will get better.

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Hoardasurass · Today 15:36

Who are the cocaine fuelled extremes?
There's no such thing as a trans child
Men are men and calling them such is not hateful
Transwomen can never be any type of woman regardless of any surgeries or cross sex hormones
No man should be using the female facilities regardless of how well he behaves or not
Women shouldn't have to see a man in their changing facilities regardless of whether hes had his penis skinned and inverted or not
Agree on the nonbinary bs but we shouldn't be medicalising anyone who claims atrans identity either
There's nothing a man can ever do to become a woman or be seen as what he will never be

Gender identity ideology is harmful and belongs in the bin

KookyScroller2 · Today 15:39

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rubyslippers · Today 15:41

I don’t agree with any of it because it stays from a position that gender identity is a thing ie non binary
and what is a true trans child
all of it can get in the bin

spannasaurus · Today 15:42

✅ Yes, most children are being overmedicalized. But rare true trans children deserve help or they psychologically shatter
There aren't any true trans children but there may be children who have gender dysphoria . None should receive any medical treatment except therapy

✅ No, trans women do not belong in professional sports. But it’s hateful to call them men.
It's not hateful to call a man a man and men don't belong in women's sports at any level

✅ Trans women are not automatically women. But with hard work and medical intervention, most of us can have fulfilling lives where people perceive us as women.
No, they remain men and the majority will perceive them as men

✅ Self-ID must end. Women’s feelings and safety matter, so if you cannot use the ladies non-disruptively - don’t
There is no self ID in the UK and even a GRC doesn't entitled people to use opposite sex spaces and services. If you are a men you cannot use the ladies

✅ If you can’t understand why women should never see a penis in a locker room, you’re mentally still a man.
Even of you understand that you haven't changed sex and are still a man

✅ We need research to figure out what is happening with this explosion of non-binary identities. They are not trans, and it’s medical malpractice to give them transsexual healthcare.
Nothing to figure out. Non binary is nonsense

✅ You have to do the work to be percieved as a woman. Far left politics cannot do this work for you.

You can't change sex no matter what work you do

Igmum · Today 15:42

Welcome to Mumsnet @walkthedino - interesting first post. Trans women are men and men isn’t an offensive term. There’s no such thing as a trans child, though some children are groomed and yes that is incredibly distressing.

I’ll be glad when the schools, colleges and universities go back.

6ate9 · Today 15:42

Hoardasurass · Today 15:36

Who are the cocaine fuelled extremes?
There's no such thing as a trans child
Men are men and calling them such is not hateful
Transwomen can never be any type of woman regardless of any surgeries or cross sex hormones
No man should be using the female facilities regardless of how well he behaves or not
Women shouldn't have to see a man in their changing facilities regardless of whether hes had his penis skinned and inverted or not
Agree on the nonbinary bs but we shouldn't be medicalising anyone who claims atrans identity either
There's nothing a man can ever do to become a woman or be seen as what he will never be

Gender identity ideology is harmful and belongs in the bin

This! Brilliant post!!

A trans-identified male will ALWAYS be a man!!

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 15:43

Welcome to Mumsnet another new OP..

How about you do the work and explain your thoughts before expecting posters on here to do the work for you? We're not your Mum (hopefully).

Evoker · Today 15:44

I object. I have never taken cocaine in my life.
You can't change sex and gender doesn't exist.
Extreeeeemeeee!

Meceme · Today 15:45

• Many children are over-medicalised. Rare 'true trans' children should be helped through therapy rather than medicalisation until they are adults when they can choose their path. Medical intervention should be clear about what it can and cannot achieve, including negative effects, so that choices are fully informed.
• Transwomen should not be in womens sport but, if they insist on trying to enter a category they don't belong in, calling them biologically male is factually correct.
• Transwomen are not women but in most social situations this is not important.
▪︎ No-one can control how others perceive them.
▪︎ In medical or single sex provision biological sex is important. No Transwomen should use female only provision, even 'non-disruptively'
▪︎ If you are biologically male you are mentally male - although you may not confirm to typical male stereotypes and behaviours.
▪︎ Non-binary people are either male or female sexed. They can present however they like and are free to change the stereotypes of their sex - more power to them. Do not medicate healthy bodies, embrace your unique personalities.

AimsAndObjectives · Today 15:47

@walkthedino I promise you. The overwhelming majority of the public agrees with all of this.

Sorry, but we are going to need to see the data on this. Question by question, and from a reputable polling agency.

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 15:55

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Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 15:57

ahhhh Brianna! We're always grateful to him for proving that filters work

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Shedmistress · Today 15:58

AimsAndObjectives · Today 15:56

Of course it is!

iwishitwouldstartraining · Today 16:10

walkthedino · Today 15:24

I saw the below tweet today and agreed with a lot of it. I wondered what people on this forum thought.

I have copied and pasted so the post doesn’t have to wait for a screenshot to be approved:

My trans positions are VERY CONTROVERSIAL because they are so dead moderate they make both cocaine-fueled extremes angry.

✅ Yes, most children are being overmedicalized. But rare true trans children deserve help or they psychologically shatter
✅ No, trans women do not belong in professional sports. But it’s hateful to call them men.
✅ Trans women are not automatically women. But with hard work and medical intervention, most of us can have fulfilling lives where people perceive us as women.
✅ Self-ID must end. Women’s feelings and safety matter, so if you cannot use the ladies non-disruptively - don’t.
✅ If you can’t understand why women should never see a penis in a locker room, you’re mentally still a man.
✅ We need research to figure out what is happening with this explosion of non-binary identities. They are not trans, and it’s medical malpractice to give them transsexual healthcare.
✅ You have to do the work to be percieved as a woman. Far left politics cannot do this work for you.

I promise you. The overwhelming majority of the public agrees with all of this. If trans people will go back to the non-insane positions of ten years ago, things will get better.

Yes, most children are being overmedicalized. But rare true trans children deserve help or they psychologically shatter

Any child that is in distress deserves help. I have no idea how you would diagnose a child as being 'true trans' or why you would try to fix their distress with surgery or hormones.

No, trans women do not belong in professional sports. But it’s hateful to call them men.

Referring to somebody's sex is not hateful.

Trans women are not automatically women. But with hard work and medical intervention, most of us can have fulfilling lives where people perceive us as women.

Living a fulfilling life will depend on getting to grips with the fact that people are good at determining sex and sex is sometimes relevant.

Self-ID must end. Women’s feelings and safety matter, so if you cannot use the ladies non-disruptively - don’t.

We never had self ID

If you can’t understand why women should never see a penis in a locker room, you’re mentally still a man.

Such a low bar.

We need research to figure out what is happening with this explosion of non-binary identities. They are not trans, and it’s medical malpractice to give them transsexual healthcare.

If somebody wants to call themself non-binary I have no problem with that. It's a bit sexist, but so is the Catholic Church. All medical care should be evidence based. Stonewall certainly seems to think they are trans.

You have to do the work to be percieved as a woman. Far left politics cannot do this work for you.

No amount of work will do this.

KookyScroller2 · Today 16:11

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AimsAndObjectives · Today 16:15

If you can’t understand why women should never see a penis in a locker room, you’re mentally still a man.

@iwishitwouldstartraining
Such a low bar.

😂😂😂

soddingspiderseason · Today 16:17

Yes, that’s a reasonable position. Transwomen or transmen with genuine dysphoria need support, and do get harassed and abused. But no-one can ever change sex. The fundamental problem is self ID and the failure to protect women’s rights.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 16:23

Are we all taking cocaine now? I’ve only just caught up on the Tunnocks thing. I really can’t be expected to put in this kind of effort

Imdunfer · Today 16:24

I think it's a good step forward to see anybody in that camp try to present a more reasonable view.

They would probably have feared the backlash too much to have written that 2 years ago.

GoodkneeBadKnee · Today 16:26

I promise you. The overwhelming majority of the public agrees with all of this.

What you mean is, you want this to be true. I don't think it is, but I can't promise so

Lambsydaisy · Today 16:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 16:23

Are we all taking cocaine now? I’ve only just caught up on the Tunnocks thing. I really can’t be expected to put in this kind of effort

Nah, I tried it in the 80s, but no way is it suitable 'fuel'. The come down was haaarrrddd 😬
Tunnocks can never be replaced.

murasaki · Today 16:28

Cocaine was fun my youth. But i could always tell man from a woman.

DworkinWasRight · Today 16:29

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 16:23

Are we all taking cocaine now? I’ve only just caught up on the Tunnocks thing. I really can’t be expected to put in this kind of effort

Quite - and I haven’t even got to grips with the Tunnocks. Are you all meeting in secret for cocaine-and-Tunnocks parties - and has my invitation been lost in the post?

6ate9 · Today 16:33

We can ALL tell ‘man from woman’. It ain’t hard!