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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Covent Garden - why don't I trust the reporting ?

423 replies

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2026 15:35

A woman stabbing four men ?

Or am I nasty and old ?

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TheWildZebra · 05/08/2026 19:30

tipsyraven · 05/08/2026 18:45

This.

This is a vile thread.

Yes - mumsnet is the only place on the internet I’ve come across where this bizarre unhealthy obsession is allowed to breed completely unfettered, and seems to be actively encouraged and go unchallenged by any moderator. I guess it brings traffic and ads revenue so whatchagonnado.

nicepotoftea · 05/08/2026 19:32

TheWildZebra · 05/08/2026 19:30

Yes - mumsnet is the only place on the internet I’ve come across where this bizarre unhealthy obsession is allowed to breed completely unfettered, and seems to be actively encouraged and go unchallenged by any moderator. I guess it brings traffic and ads revenue so whatchagonnado.

Thinking crime statistics should be accurate?

That would seem a very mainstream position, but you appear to think otherwise.

Please do explain.

BunnyBunbunbun · 05/08/2026 19:32

ThisShyTaupeFinch · 05/08/2026 17:40

Dismissing a person's identity as a 'performance' is just a cheap way to avoid treating them with basic human dignity. Transitioning isn't playing a role; nobody faces social stigma, navigates complex medical systems, and rebuilds their entire life just to 'put on an act.' Transitioning isn't playing a role for an audience-it's living authentically. Accusing trans women of 'acting' just reveals how
desperate you are to invalidate their lives.

What are you on about? Transwomen are men, they are not women. There is nothing offensive or diminishing or any other of the things you disingenuously claim about calling a man a man. Of course men who claim to be women are simply doing a performance of stereotypical gestures and mannerisms that they think pertain to women. Being a woman is a biological fact, it's not something anybody - even a man - can identify as.

All this histrionic, emotional manipulation won't get you anywhere. You won't silence us with this nonsense.

tipsyraven · 05/08/2026 19:32

YesterdaysFuture · 05/08/2026 18:51

It amazes me at how overly sensitive activists get.

The thread simply questions media narrative and due to repeated past occurrences. Strange that when people have questioned whether a man is responsible, you've assumed man = trans woman.

In this instance it appears that the police and media reporting were correct. But once bitten, twice shy.

I’m not an activist.

Shortshriftandlethal · 05/08/2026 19:34

The reason that suspicions are now immediately raised is because there have been numerous occasions over the years when a crime committed by a male person has been reported as being having committed by a woman. This occurs not just in national news reporting, but has also been a long standing feature of local reporting too. It does make ppeople question reports when a crime of the sort not typical of women is reported as having been.

Obviously women can respond or react with violence too.....though in this instance none of the men were seriously injured at all, and two have already been released from hospital. Should this have been a man, i suspect the injuries might well have been far more serious.

SamphiretheTervosaur · 05/08/2026 19:39

From The Mercian: First picture of woman arrested for stabbing

Covent Garden - why don't I trust the reporting ?
Shortshriftandlethal · 05/08/2026 19:39

TheWildZebra · 05/08/2026 19:30

Yes - mumsnet is the only place on the internet I’ve come across where this bizarre unhealthy obsession is allowed to breed completely unfettered, and seems to be actively encouraged and go unchallenged by any moderator. I guess it brings traffic and ads revenue so whatchagonnado.

Rather i'd say that this small board on Mumsnet has been the only place, for many years, or certainly was for a long time, where people could talk relatively freely and discuss the issue of the negative and damaging impact of trans ideology and the multitude of ways it has manifested. This at a time when it was not even allowed to be spoken about in parliament or even on other forums; and was still not being reported in print media.

SodThisHeadache · 05/08/2026 19:48

ThisShyTaupeFinch · Today 17:40
"Dismissing a person's identity as a 'performance' is just a cheap way to avoid treating them with basic human dignity. Transitioning isn't playing a role; nobody faces social stigma, navigates complex medical systems, and rebuilds their entire life just to 'put on an act.' Transitioning isn't playing a role for an audience-it's living authentically. Accusing trans women of 'acting' just reveals how
desperate you are to invalidate their lives".

Well, I'd say that transitioning isn't living authentically, it's playing a role for an audience.
I don't care to 'validate' trans people's lives - to validate is to prove something is correct or true. I can pretend along, as long as men don't go where only women are allowed or do jobs or take accolades that are for women.
But tolerance was never enough for you, was it? We must believe, we must move over, we must submit.

Kingdomofsleep · 05/08/2026 19:56

nicepotoftea · 05/08/2026 19:32

Thinking crime statistics should be accurate?

That would seem a very mainstream position, but you appear to think otherwise.

Please do explain.

It is. If you took one of those articles, where it says "woman arrested for xyz" and it's about a male person, and show it to a random man in a pub or something, he will say "that ain't no Isla".

Calling male criminals "women" is widely despised by a huge majority of people.

It's also one of the reasons that the BBC is losing trust and popularity, almost existentially.

This is not a niche problem. Go and ask someone in real life what they think about it, not someone from an online space but someone you know separately from your interests, like your FIL or your neighbour. Nearly everyone is appalled by male criminals being called women.

Edit to add - I'm addressing the person that you're replying to!

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:02

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2026 15:35

A woman stabbing four men ?

Or am I nasty and old ?

Perhaps cynical. My daughter polices in Covent Garden and the surrounds The Met and the press do not conspire to invent happenings. It can be hostile and febrile in such busy places.

Doubledutchbuss · 05/08/2026 20:04

https://mol.im/a/16031711

photos have now been un redacted

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2026 20:04

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:02

Perhaps cynical. My daughter polices in Covent Garden and the surrounds The Met and the press do not conspire to invent happenings. It can be hostile and febrile in such busy places.

It's not a matter of inventing events or not.

It's about distrust in the police and the media because they regularly lie about the sex of suspects and perpetrators.

SodThisHeadache · 05/08/2026 20:07

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tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:07

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2026 20:04

It's not a matter of inventing events or not.

It's about distrust in the police and the media because they regularly lie about the sex of suspects and perpetrators.

But perhaps not together.

SodThisHeadache · 05/08/2026 20:11

There's a website that looks at crimes committed by trans-identifying men and there's a page that lists, with lots of evidence, 39 men who've been referred to as 'she' by police, Courts, and the CPS. When this happens, media also goes along with the untruth, hence lack of trust in the media.
MN won't let me link it unfortunately.
Google Trans Crime UK.

Edited to add: an example would be Steven Carey/Aurin Makepeace, and if you look at the blue tags under the headline you'll see where you can click on to find 'Police/Courts using defendant pronouns' to see all the other 38 men.

If you're bothered.

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2026 20:11

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:07

But perhaps not together.

I don't understand that reply.

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:12

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2026 20:11

I don't understand that reply.

It is unlikely they lie together surely?

Chersfrozenface · 05/08/2026 20:19

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:12

It is unlikely they lie together surely?

The police describe a trans identifying man as a woman and only use the pronoun "she" in communications, then the BBC and most other media follow their lead.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/08/2026 20:27

tommyhoundmum · 05/08/2026 20:12

It is unlikely they lie together surely?

Upthread (at 18.45) I posted links to the Scarlett Blake murder where a trans identifying man was called a woman by the police, the media, the judiciary in court until public scrutiny finally resulted in accurate language being used - Scarlet was a man who murdered another man aas well as committing other terrible crimes.

Having said that. it's important to recognise that it's so often your daughter and other police officers who directly face the consequences of the loss of confidence from the public. It was officers who confronted this woman and who confront other dangerous criminals. They are so badly served by senior officers who pander to political extremists of all kinds, focussing only on their niche political interests while ignoring the impact on society and their own officers.

YesterdaysFuture · 05/08/2026 20:28

TheWildZebra · 05/08/2026 19:30

Yes - mumsnet is the only place on the internet I’ve come across where this bizarre unhealthy obsession is allowed to breed completely unfettered, and seems to be actively encouraged and go unchallenged by any moderator. I guess it brings traffic and ads revenue so whatchagonnado.

Mumsnet is just a reflection on the view of the general population. Other websites have created echo-chambers at the behest of activists and excessive moderation of anything not overwhelmingly pro-trans and thus give people an unrealistic portrayal of what society actually thinks.

Even today, I've seen the announcement of a new Harry Potter Lego set and activists swarm all the sites moaning about "transphobia".

Charlize43 · 05/08/2026 20:36

MidnightPatrol · 05/08/2026 18:06

The area is full of homeless and drug addicts, and I find it wholly unsurprising to hear one of them might do something like this - and yes that they are female.

It’s really busy and so an attack like this could happen very quickly, and in the chaos I can imagine it was hard to work out what exactly was going on.

The police do nothing about the huge community of people living in dire circumstances in this part of London - it’s particularly bad in the summer. It’s a well known issue.

Mainly because St Mungo's the homeless charity, is at the end of Endell Street.

A few years ago, you used to see Fadi, George Michael's ex boyfriend, hanging out in this area as I think he had addiction/homelessness problems. I remember giving him some money.

You only see police on the streets these days if the Royals/MPs/Sadiq Khan are doing something or there is a protest, otherwise traditional policing of a bobby on the beat is very, very rare in London these days.

Charing Cross is full of homeless people, which makes me angry when you think that only a short distance away are completely out of touch and overpaid politicians, and the cavorting Royals... Camilla with her new frocks. It is sad that we live in such an unequal society.

London has certainly declined in the last 10 years or so. Only last week I was walking to the station after work, around 10.30pm and a rickshaw driver practically knocked me down. I threw myself out of the way and fell as a result. He didn't even stop! It feels totally lawless these days. Luckily, although I'm almost 60, I still consider myself quite robust!

finefennelfalad · 05/08/2026 20:41

It might be interesting to note that the average reading age of adults in the UK is estimated to be 9 to 11 years old, roughly equivalent to a child in UK school Year 5 or 6. Not sure what % of that population is represented on MN.

Skodacool · 05/08/2026 20:44

Seriestwo · 05/08/2026 16:32

BBC says two victims sent home, 2 have, effectively, minor injuries. For the benefit of the monitors I’ll loudly add THESE MEN WILL BE PHYSICALLY OK AND THAT IS GREAT NEWS. For the point of the thread - goes to show that women can’t do significat harm to men even with a pair of scissors. The harm the BBC has done to its own reputation and trust is marked. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0nk17881yo

So can you explain what the problem is?

SodThisHeadache · 05/08/2026 20:45

Skodacool · 05/08/2026 20:44

So can you explain what the problem is?

I would read the thread if I were you