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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Covent Garden - why don't I trust the reporting ?

422 replies

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2026 15:35

A woman stabbing four men ?

Or am I nasty and old ?

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BlessingYou · Yesterday 12:45

HousePlantEmergency · Yesterday 12:34

Correction - you actually stated that noone should give the benefit of the doubt to anyone.
Even better!

But then you added a load of unnecessary patronising assumptions, that I read only one news source, and don't read publications that challenge me.

Funny how we're lambasted for making assumptions (off the back of consistent lies) but you're more than happy to make assumptions about posters here with absolutely no facts to back that up.

Hypocritical and patronising.

The “you” in that reply wasn’t ‘you’ personally. Nothing was aimed at you, as I know nothing about you.

HousePlantEmergency · Yesterday 12:47

BlessingYou · Yesterday 12:45

The “you” in that reply wasn’t ‘you’ personally. Nothing was aimed at you, as I know nothing about you.

So what do you know about any of the other posters on this thread? I'm guessing also nothing. So who was it aimed at? Surely at people that are reading your words?
Bit strange otherwise.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 12:47

@RoyalCorgi 's factual post explaining the difference between an insult and an ad hominem has been deleted.

Why?

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 12:58

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 12:47

@RoyalCorgi 's factual post explaining the difference between an insult and an ad hominem has been deleted.

Why?

Oh for fuck's sake!

BlessingYou · Yesterday 13:05

HousePlantEmergency · Yesterday 12:47

So what do you know about any of the other posters on this thread? I'm guessing also nothing. So who was it aimed at? Surely at people that are reading your words?
Bit strange otherwise.

It was a general ‘you’, so everyone else on the board? It’s a fairly common thing.

BlessingYou · Yesterday 13:06

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 12:58

Oh for fuck's sake!

Before you accuse me, I didn’t report anything.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 13:08

BlessingYou · Yesterday 13:06

Before you accuse me, I didn’t report anything.

Why so paranoid?

There have always been plenty of 👀on these threads

HousePlantEmergency · Yesterday 13:08

BlessingYou · Yesterday 13:05

It was a general ‘you’, so everyone else on the board? It’s a fairly common thing.

Yes I understand what a general "you" means.

So again, what do you know about every other poster on this board and their approach to news consumption?

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 13:15

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 12:47

@RoyalCorgi 's factual post explaining the difference between an insult and an ad hominem has been deleted.

Why?

I assume someone took exception to the suggestion that anti-female posters objecting to Gender Critical Feminism resort to ad hominem attacks because they are not very clever so can't engage with the content.

It was a great post, I hope @RoyalCorgi can repost it with less blunt language.

After all, even the cleverest person would be unable to refute the Feminist criticisms of Genderism because it is simply and undeniably a sexist belief system. The "you're all Right Wing/old/bigotted/unable to understand diversity so I don't have to answer you" reply is literally all they can do.

The ad homs aren't proof of lack of smarts, they can also be proof of lack of good faith or simply lack of giving a shit about what's fair on the female half of humanity.

SodThisHeadache · Yesterday 13:16

MNHQ has kindly allowed me to link this website, with the evidence of all the crimes committed by men, which were reported as having been committed by women.

As you can see, the lies were across different newspapers and websites (mainstream media), and the crimes these men committed were very serious.

So we could all do what has been suggested and survey a range of sources, only to find it extremely difficult to find the truth.

To reiterate, this has been going on for years, women like me have been campaigning for journalists to remember their journalistic ethics to tell the truth, for their own sakes and the sake of their victims (many of them children).

Because this has happened, women like me - free-thinking, intelligent, not 'far right', bigoted of large Supporters, or any other name that can be thrown at us have lost trust in the media.

transcrimeuk.com/tag/reported-as-woman/

SodThisHeadache · Yesterday 13:23

I have asked MNHQ to reinstate my post above. It has a link to transcrime UK, with pictures and details to accompany that list I gave earlier of men who committed serious crimes, but the media reported as being women.

BlessingYou · Yesterday 14:09

HousePlantEmergency · Yesterday 13:08

Yes I understand what a general "you" means.

So again, what do you know about every other poster on this board and their approach to news consumption?

I replied to your question. The ‘you’ was general. Please stop badgering me with rhetorical questions. Of course many, if not most, posters here likely use plenty of media sources. Who knows? Do you? Of course you don’t know.

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 14:13

Annoying that my comment has been deleted! I thought it was a very straightforward explanation of the meaning of "ad hominem". Hard to repost as I don't know which bit of it was considered objectionable.

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 14:15

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 14:13

Annoying that my comment has been deleted! I thought it was a very straightforward explanation of the meaning of "ad hominem". Hard to repost as I don't know which bit of it was considered objectionable.

Of course, really we should be saying "ad feminam"

(ducks)

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BlessingYou · Yesterday 14:15

To reiterate, I have not called anyone here far right, bigoted or stupid. In response, I’ve been called thick, sworn at, given repeated implications I’m someone else?

BlessingYou · Yesterday 14:19

YesterdaysFuture · Yesterday 11:53

How did you know that the posts were "right wing"?

The "BBC bad" line has been created by trolls? So I must be mistaken that there were internal BBC reports worried about bias, and misleading news (such as the Trump capitol hill editing)?

They were from quite well-known right-wing people.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 14:32

BlessingYou · Yesterday 14:19

They were from quite well-known right-wing people.

What's wrong with being right wing? People are allowed to have differing political views. It's important for a healthy democratic society. And why would that translate to there being a thread here?

Just because someone has differing political views to you, doesn't mean that their point that the BBC's coverage is inaccurate is false. And if BBC are demonstrably not reporting accurately, why shouldn't both the left and the right call it out?

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 14:39

Let’s face it, the headline “Woman arrested after four men stabbed in London’s Covent Garden” does give pause, because it sounds like the kind of violent rampage that is overwhelmingly committed by a man. When you discover the woman is likely to be a homeless drug addict and it seems the victims were attacked with scissors and not seriously wounded (thank God, may they recover well) then a different picture emerges. If the headline had been “Female drug addict attacks four men with scissors” I would certainly not have any reason to think her sex is male. Similarly to “woman arrested for shoplifting” “woman arrested for fraud”, no need to think twice. Although a violent crime, the drug element makes it more likely. But we know statistically that it’s overwhelmingly men who commit violent crimes, and we know that certain elements of the media (including the BBC) obfuscate the biological sex of trans-identifying male offenders, so the OP had every reason to raise concerns. That headline looked like there was the potential for four men to have been murdered or seriously injured in the street, and that, sadly, is not unknown in recent times.

There was the case of Joanne Dennehy who carried out a ten day stabbing spree in 2013, killing three men, but not all at the same time. This is extremely rare and reflected in the fact that she is one of only three women to have been handed a whole-life prison order. The other two were Myra Hindley and Rosemary West. Saying that we assume any crime must committed by a transwoman is disingenuous bullshit, frankly. We’re sick of being gaslit by outfits like the BBC and want to get back to a situation where we can trust that woman means woman.

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 14:42

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 14:39

Let’s face it, the headline “Woman arrested after four men stabbed in London’s Covent Garden” does give pause, because it sounds like the kind of violent rampage that is overwhelmingly committed by a man. When you discover the woman is likely to be a homeless drug addict and it seems the victims were attacked with scissors and not seriously wounded (thank God, may they recover well) then a different picture emerges. If the headline had been “Female drug addict attacks four men with scissors” I would certainly not have any reason to think her sex is male. Similarly to “woman arrested for shoplifting” “woman arrested for fraud”, no need to think twice. Although a violent crime, the drug element makes it more likely. But we know statistically that it’s overwhelmingly men who commit violent crimes, and we know that certain elements of the media (including the BBC) obfuscate the biological sex of trans-identifying male offenders, so the OP had every reason to raise concerns. That headline looked like there was the potential for four men to have been murdered or seriously injured in the street, and that, sadly, is not unknown in recent times.

There was the case of Joanne Dennehy who carried out a ten day stabbing spree in 2013, killing three men, but not all at the same time. This is extremely rare and reflected in the fact that she is one of only three women to have been handed a whole-life prison order. The other two were Myra Hindley and Rosemary West. Saying that we assume any crime must committed by a transwoman is disingenuous bullshit, frankly. We’re sick of being gaslit by outfits like the BBC and want to get back to a situation where we can trust that woman means woman.

I should add to this that the police haven’t specifically mentioned drugs, but did say that it was an isolated incident and mental-health related. The mental-health related part is highly relevant.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 14:45

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 14:39

Let’s face it, the headline “Woman arrested after four men stabbed in London’s Covent Garden” does give pause, because it sounds like the kind of violent rampage that is overwhelmingly committed by a man. When you discover the woman is likely to be a homeless drug addict and it seems the victims were attacked with scissors and not seriously wounded (thank God, may they recover well) then a different picture emerges. If the headline had been “Female drug addict attacks four men with scissors” I would certainly not have any reason to think her sex is male. Similarly to “woman arrested for shoplifting” “woman arrested for fraud”, no need to think twice. Although a violent crime, the drug element makes it more likely. But we know statistically that it’s overwhelmingly men who commit violent crimes, and we know that certain elements of the media (including the BBC) obfuscate the biological sex of trans-identifying male offenders, so the OP had every reason to raise concerns. That headline looked like there was the potential for four men to have been murdered or seriously injured in the street, and that, sadly, is not unknown in recent times.

There was the case of Joanne Dennehy who carried out a ten day stabbing spree in 2013, killing three men, but not all at the same time. This is extremely rare and reflected in the fact that she is one of only three women to have been handed a whole-life prison order. The other two were Myra Hindley and Rosemary West. Saying that we assume any crime must committed by a transwoman is disingenuous bullshit, frankly. We’re sick of being gaslit by outfits like the BBC and want to get back to a situation where we can trust that woman means woman.

And Lucy Letby.

But I agree with your post!

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 14:50

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 14:13

Annoying that my comment has been deleted! I thought it was a very straightforward explanation of the meaning of "ad hominem". Hard to repost as I don't know which bit of it was considered objectionable.

I think you referred to "our opponents" being stupid. Can't say more than that or I'll be deleted too. Perhaps I will be anyway once I note that that's really not worse than people saying that GC women are just hateful transphobes.

Requote the post and explain why the poster was incorrect to think an insult was an ad hominem, and noting that GC women are subject
to ad hominems all the time which are generally untrue and even if they were true, still don't actually make the argument incorrect.

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 17:21

BettyBooper · Yesterday 14:45

And Lucy Letby.

But I agree with your post!

Yes, I’m not going there with Lucy Letby, and here isn’t the place for discussion about her case.

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