Pissed you can't piss in peace

It's cruel to lie. They don't "pass" and even if they did, they aren't women and need to accept that and the law.

And women (with trauma or religious restrictions especially) need to know that there are no men in their single sex spaces - not even heavy disguised ones.

I’ll walk into the ladies with you and tell people to back the fuck off if I have to

So you’re going to violently threaten woman who don’t consent to men in their same sex designated spaces? And you wonder why there’s had to be a law passed?

Although, I seriously doubt you are going to do that. I seriously doubt you ever leave your bedroom.

I am very careful who I allow into my home. Aren't you?

I also have a lock on the bathroom door. Nobody else is in there with me.

Assisting people to break the law.

The 'hero' no one knew we needed.

Will you be wearing a cape? And spandex?

Or perhaps painting your face blue and screaming 'Freedom' while you throw your weight around the women's loo is more your thing.

This with bells on.

Ways you can tell a man:
He thinks he "passes" as a woman but usually wears things that women of that age or build wouldn't wear in public
His hips are set differently to a women's hips so if you can't tell just by looking at the way he stands you will when he walks
His behviour is entitled and turns aggressive when he doesn't get what he wants.

I think trans people should have to use the disabled toilets. That way they can piss in peace and nobody else has to worry they are sharing a toilet with somebody who was born with different reproductive organs.

Like most people I have a single-user gender-neutral bathroom at home, lockable floor to ceiling door and all necessary facilities inside. (Two of them in fact - ooh get me!) So we can all pee in peace and none of us are troubled, even when I invite guests who I don't know well

And if that is what trans people need in public toilets now, well, it's perfectly legal to provide them as long as the regulations about single-sex provision are also met.

There are many reasons why someone might choose to pee in a single-user room rather than a multi-user (single-sex) room and it's not the kind of thing most people speculate about if they even notice.

So if someone is so touchy about being trans that they can't bear to use a unisex single-user facility then... well that's their problem really.

Ooh, welcome to Mumsnet. So many new enthusiastic faces today!

I don't let strangers come in off the street to use my loo at home. Do you?because that would be just weird.

Will you be wearing a cape? And spandex?

Probably JUST a cape and spandex 😬

Nah - disabled ppl fought for their spaces whereas TW thought they'd just take women's spaces

they can piss in the ones fir their sex

i mean they could have didn't spent time campaigning for more genuinely mixed sex toilets but they didn't so reaping what they sewed

Wasn't this remark from RoyalCorgi sarcasm?

You can pee next to me – unless you've had genital surgery, in which case you might need to use the cubicle instead of the urinals. I promise I won't harass you. I won't even speak to you, nor give you more than a glance. Same as the other men.

Oops was it, they need to work on their delivery then.

It is a terrible problem with trying to parody the TRA, that no matter how extreme and batshit you make it, someone out there is saying it for real.

This is obvs a stupid question, but where are the men with a public profile saying that they are happy to welcome any man, however he presents, into male single sex spaces and pledging to leave them well alone to get on with their business? A 'you can pee next to me' for men. A 'be kind' moment for men

Andy Burnham could lead on this for example

I know, I know 🙄

As a disabled woman I can't agree with this.
They can use their own loos like everyone else

I think the poster was trying to be sarcastic and shame us. Pity it didn't work.

I agree with you about toilets for people with disabilities.

I need the accessible toilet due to disability. They can stay the fuck out of those too.

Oi! that's offensive to us badgers!
😁

No such thing as cis. Since sex is binary, dimorphic and immutable, trans-identifying people remain members oif their birth sex, regardless of medication or presentation.

I am beginning to feel that this thread was specifically composed to vex me.

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me!

So you are intending to defend the right to 'piss in peace' by going into the toilets and causing disruption? OK. That makes perfect sense.

@KG74 I mean, we are all walking phenotypes, even cis people, and to assume that there are no deviations from a hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code seems un-scientific and unreasonable to expect in an age that has long-since accepted nature V's nature is a false distinction.

Oh, we know that there are 'deviations from a hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code'.

As it happens, I know someone who has a 'deviation' from the usual 'hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code'. He has a DSD.

He is still a bloke. He looks and sounds like a bloke.

DSDs have nothing to do with trans.