Pissed you can't piss in peace

I’m not clear on whether the OP is male or female, trans or not, so it’s hard to ‘engage’ with what they have said about ‘marching into’ the ladies toilet.

What I can say is that I fully expect that there will be some entitled men still trying to use the female toilets.

Entitled men don’t like being told ‘no’.

Disrespecting women’s boundaries and responding with intimidating, aggressive behaviour towards women when they can’t just do whatever the hell they want is what entitled men do.

No amount of lipstick or pronouns-changing seems to affect this deeply ingrained behaviour that results from male socialisation.

The 'community' has brought this on themselves by their actions. Up until about a decade ago I barely gave anyone a cursory glance. Since then, you bet your sweet bippy I look and judge. And would report now I feel supported to do so, whereas previously I just left and found somewhere else.

So... your point is there should be no such thing as separate male and female facilities because such a distinction is impossible? (I call this one the "colours are a spectrum thetefore traffic lights are impossible and could never work" school of dumbness)

Or is it, as is more likely, you very much want separate facilities but a special group of people get to cross over? (I call this one the "I'm a sexist twunt who just sees female people as stereotypes rather than fully realised human beings" school of dumbness)

Either way, female people matter and exist outside your sexist presumptions.

I’m not clear on whether the OP is male or female, trans or not, so it’s hard to ‘engage’ with what they have said about ‘marching into’ the ladies toilet...

My money is on a teenage boy or young man identifying as an outraged woman with about as much insight as a man who thinks lipstick, a bad wig and a sparkly mini skirt makes him a woman.
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It's so fucking dull and predictable.

Just use the toilet that fits your sex. No one is going to stop you using it in peace.

Totally. It's always the behaviour. Look fellas, stop obsessing about your appearance and whether you "pass" and work on your behaviour. It's not just the physical factors that give you away.

edited: spelling

I mean, we are all walking phenotypes, even cis people, and to assume that there are no deviations from a hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code seems un-scientific and unreasonable to expect in an age that has long-since accepted nature V's nature is a false distinction.
Are you seriously suggesting that there is no distinction between men and women? I wish you luck in picking the right kind of partner if you ever want to make a baby.

The idea we are all equipped with skills that makes chromosomes, hormonal profiles and gonads 100% observable with clothes on seems nonsensical in this day and age.
Most women are very good at distinguishing between men and women out in public. It is an evolutionary advantage.

But moreover, there is no sense in creating division where statistics do not back up any of the widespread danger claims that are being touted around.
Look up the statistics on VAWG. Shame on you for saying this.
Besides which, single sex spaces are also about privacy and dignity, not just safety.

I doubt any trans people are here to read this, but if you are, panic not. Trans people are always going to be here
Agreed

so society needs to adapt to you, not the other way around.
Non-sequitur.
Short people will always be around, yet still shops have high shelves. Tall people will always be around, yet still cinema seats have crap leg room and doorways are too low.

If you can't use the toilets for your own sex, whether that is because you're male and are afraid to use the toilets with (other) men, or because you are female and have masculinized to the point where you are afraid of scaring (other) women, then the solution is to fight for additional single-user unisex facilities.

You have had a decade or more to get on with fighting for this. Most GC women would have supported you. Instead you and others like you have wasted those years by fighting for access to facilities where you don't belong. My sympathies for you are therefore limited.

Hahahahahha.

Haven’t heard that one since 2017. Do keep up dear.

"I'm a sexist twunt who just sees female people as stereotypes rather than fully realised human beings"

Straight from The Book of Reddit (I wish I was joking) :

"If you're a passing trans women (ESPECIALLY if you're short, weak, wear a lot of perfume, have big konhongeroogas, and a fat, juicy ass), use the men's bathroom/changing rooms. Shave your legs smooth and wear a skirt. Maybe a short one. Go goth for a day. Show off your cleavage. Soften your voice."

"The idea we are all equipped with skills that makes chromosomes, hormonal profiles and gonads 100% observable with clothes on seems nonsensical in this day and age."

Well, there's the small matter of skeletal features such as shape of skull, angle of pelvis etc which tell humans instinctively whether someone else is a man or a woman. We might be in the 21st century but these things don't change.

Actually, that's a good point. My area of expertise/lived experience [delete as applicable] relates more to people whose disability is too severe for that level of work around, but I can see that some men with impaired mobility, but to a lesser extent, might be able to use a urinary bottle inside a standard accessible toilet, whereas a woman with the same level of mobility impairment just couldn't.

The poster was being sarky to the OP

You are right though, that this used to be said to women who didn't want men in their toilets. But it applies equally to TRAs, they just can't see it.

There’s an implied /s after that post.

I thought this was going to be about trying to find 2 minutes to yourself with small children.

It's just a plop-scold.
Disappointing.

A plopper who complains about lack of engagement, to boot.

So you want trans to be able to piss in peace but if anyone has a problem they themselves can’t piss in peace and have to put up with it?

If the OP is pissed they should sober up before spouting crap on MN.

So many P's

Almost as many P's as Molly in the women's loos today

The idea we are all equipped with skills that makes chromosomes, hormonal profiles and gonads 100% observable with clothes on seems nonsensical in this day and age.

I dunno about "all", but it's certainly "a lot", judging by how often I'm still clocked after 15 years on testosterone and despite the beard and wearing all male clothes.

Trans people are always going to be here so society needs to adapt to you, not the other way around.

Society has already adapted plenty, since now trans people can leave the closet and live as trans. Why should "adapting" mean taking away the rights of another group?

What do you say to women (actual women) who would not be able to use public toilets, fitting rooms, changing rooms etc if there was a possibility of a man being in there? I'm thinking of Muslim women, Orthodox Jewish women, women who are living with trauma due to sexual assault, for example

I’ll walk into the ladies with you and tell people to back the fuck off if I have to.

Walk into a loo I'm in and you'll both get a mouthful right back at you, and any t-shirt you might be wearing when you come in will be flung at you when you're running away.

So basically OP you will go where you want, do what you want and God help anyone who challenges you
Nothing to be wary of there AT ALL!!!!
They can wear what they want and have whatever bits they want removed but the male entitlement and aggression will remain