Pissed you can't piss in peace

Oh FFS.
Do you really have to have this explained to you?

Has anyone on FWR logged 'Witless comments' on one axis against 'University vacations/ schools hols' on the other?

Did OP not come back for his 'engagement', then?

I agree they aren’t women and shouldn’t be in women’s spaces. But I think the situation has become utterly mindless of late wrt to the entitlement that ‘ trans’ people have now. At one time people who were genuinely trans were not shouting the odds.

Thank you.

We need more of this.

Meanwhile, 'trans men' and women with other creative gender identities are welcome in women's single sex spaces.

Also some transwomen do pass, though it’s extremely rare.

the ones that annoy me the most are the ones who just look like men who are wearing dresses with no modifications or effort at all.

S/he seems to have rejected our joint proposal. Wedding's off, folks!

Oh what a shame, I was going to look out a hat.

I am a female (born Female) and I want to use Female toilets/changing areas that are EXCLUSIVELY for females.

In Europe there are mixed sex facilities available and I'm OK with that.

@IntolerantOfIntolerance - women had to campaign and fight for public loos - until then, they couldn’t go far from home unless they knew they could find a private toilet to use - it’s called the urinary leash. Men did not care that women had NO public loos - in fact they actively fought against them.

Trans people have the right to use the toilet of their biological sex, and if they are not happy with that, they have the right to campaign and fight for gender neutral toilets. What they do not have the right to do is to barge in and appropriate the rights that women fought so hard for - the right to privacy, safety and dignity in public loos.

It is so very obvious, that it isn't about the 'just want to pee' is it? It's the Validation!!! Why can't people see this?

Anyone who offers to 'escort' trans identifying men into a womens' loo is a serious risk to women. Telling anyone who objects to 'back off' indeed- mate, back off yourself. Men- keep out of womens spaces.

And please don't anyone suggest using disabled loos- they are needed for disabled people. There are few enough about as it is.

New to MN? Why not read 'break it down for me' or 'that never happens' on FWR? Then maybe the same old daft questions might not come up.
Though I doubt it

Skipped forward as only just joined this thread. It may be someone else has posted the same thought.

So the OP appears to me to be a man pretending to be a woman who will go out of they/them/she way to defend a man pretending to be a woman using a female space.

very Pythonesque.

Is that you mr Cleese?

I'm so done with this.

It's nothing to do with someone's trans status. I just want men to stay out of places, events, organisations etc etc that are specifically for women.

Past that I give not one single shiny fuck if some men find themselves upset or angry that they can no longer do what they want without push back. Tough shit.

My daughter a HCP (heavily indoctrinated) said to me what about the transexuals, i just said i really don’t care.

as any other explanation is a waste of oxygen, and i am all for saving the environment.

Again, how would we tell the difference between a 'safe' TIM and Katie Dolatowski, Tiffany Scott, Paris Green or any other man?

Nobody can ever answer that one.

Or even Ian Bullock or Kurtis Mawson. Both men entered women’s toilets and claimed they were transwomen for the duration they were in the women’s toilets.

I find it strange that so many of these men who want to be women clearly demonstrate that they actually hate women. Presumably because we’re the real deal.

@KG74

But moreover, there is no sense in creating division where statistics do not back up any of the widespread danger claims that are being touted around.

Truer words never were spoken. There's no indication trans people are in danger to life and limb (other than to their ego) using the facilities appropriate to their sex.

Its no point talking about transexuals. There is no definition of trans that includes only transexuals.

In the EqA the PC of GR includes men who intend to transition, the GRA requires a man to have a diagnosis and 'female' id for two years.

When organising spaces, its these men we have to consider. Will the space still be fit for purpose if these men use the female only spaces?

Take a gym. The owners recognise that they have fewer women attend than expected. So they organise female only session and/or female only changing rooms and toilets.

If men protected under the PC of GR, or men with a GRC can also use the sessions or facilities, will women continue to use the space?

The op is admitting that these men do stand out because why else would they need a body guard?

Oh I love it!

the fact that OP can’t see how a stranger reading that wouldn’t be able to judge if it was a woman or a transgender person who was writing

they can’t see the duplicity of their argument

nice one

It's so interesting that the same group who (allegedly) just wants to piss in peace are very happy to piss all over the place publicly when they don't get what they want.

Hmmm. Funny that.

How anyone falls for this utter BS is beyond me...

Presumably Paula Stanton would be easy to recognise as dangerous, when Stanton made eye contact with them while masturbating.

https://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/news/26196742.transgender-barry-woman-masturbated-front-nurses/?ref=ed_direct

They are misogynists and they want to dominate.

Yes, there might have been a point 30 years ago when 'trans' was assumed to mean 'transexual', but that ship has sailed, largely at the behest of organisations like Stonewall.

I don't think the question is even about men with the PC of Gender Reassignment, because there is no way of knowing what is going on in somebody's head.

The only practical options are mixed sex facilities that include everyone or single sex facilities that exclude men. You can make the case for either, but 'single sex facilities that include people of the opposite sex if they want to use them' is just not possible in this Galaxy.

This is true.

The often misinformed stats about ‘violence increasing’ trans people experience is not actually physical violence as such, thank goodness. It was nchi driving those stats up.

it will be interesting to look at next years crime survey if the pollsters remove those incidents.