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Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62

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nauticant · 03/08/2026 18:00

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.
Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal and it was reported on 3 August 2026 that leave to appeal had been granted with an expectation that the appeal proceedings could take place in court early next year (2027).

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

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NotInMyyName · 21/08/2026 18:22

Its a v old fashioned phrase that is referring to the right kind of woman. Of the right class and nice ladylike behaviours. 👀👀

Londonmummy66 · 21/08/2026 18:42

ProfessorBinturong · 21/08/2026 16:28

I've never been close enough to sniff Mary Archer (and have no particular wish to be). Perhaps she wears lovely perfum and really is fragrant.

I have - several times - she was well groomed but not excessively perfumed....

ProfessorBinturong · 21/08/2026 19:49

nauticant · 21/08/2026 17:40

I assumed it simply to mean carrying no taint.

Yes,, he intended it figuratively I'm sure.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 21/08/2026 20:11

ProfessorBinturong · 21/08/2026 16:28

I've never been close enough to sniff Mary Archer (and have no particular wish to be). Perhaps she wears lovely perfum and really is fragrant.

DH has, not that he wished to be either.
He says she is not.
He said other things about her which I will not be repeating. 😶

Londonmummy66 · 22/08/2026 12:28

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 21/08/2026 20:11

DH has, not that he wished to be either.
He says she is not.
He said other things about her which I will not be repeating. 😶

So could I but I also wont.......

ickky · 24/08/2026 12:01

Michael Foran article

Live this coming Sunday 30th of August at 4pm

https://knowingius.org/p/peggie-v-nhs-fife-appeal?publicationid=2711221&postid=212530002&isFreemail=true&r=4p2qy&triedRedirect=true

MyDogLikesKayaking · 24/08/2026 12:43

When does the appeal start?

prh47bridge · 25/08/2026 15:00

MyDogLikesKayaking · 24/08/2026 12:43

When does the appeal start?

We don't have a date yet, but it is likely to be in the first half of next year.

ItsCoolForCats · 25/08/2026 16:03

Does anyone know anything about an appeal for the Maria Kelly case? She said she would appeal, and it was before the SP case, but there have been no updates as far as I'm aware.

After FWS, that seemed to be such a clear cut case of an activist judge trying to circumvent the meaning of FWS.

ItsCoolForCats · 25/08/2026 16:06

Quote from Maria in a Sex Matters article:

"“I intend to appeal, and I will ask the EAT to consider expediting my appeal, as the decision risks further confounding the already widespread misunderstanding and defiance of the Supreme Court’s judgment in For Women Scotland.”

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/a-disappointing-judgment-in-defiance-of-the-supreme-court/

A disappointing judgment in defiance of the Supreme Court

The judgment in the case of Kelly v Leonardo has been published, and it is bad news. This case involves Maria Kelly, who works at Leonardo UK Ltd, a

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/a-disappointing-judgment-in-defiance-of-the-supreme-court/

SexMatters84 · 25/08/2026 23:31

NebulousSupportPostcard · 17/08/2026 10:05

I have emailed to ask for the case number and details of how to request remote access to the hearing. Will post the response when I get it.

From the Courier piece, it sounds as though the witnesses for Peggie will be vv interesting!

"An ex-RCN employee is set to appear as a witness for Ms Peggie.

The nurse’s legal team is also putting forward two other women who are suing the trade union over alleged gender critical discrimination."

The ex-RCN employee could be Lisa Mackenzie of Murray Blackburn Mackenzie.

poodlemum01 · 26/08/2026 07:37

did lisa mckenzie work for RCN? I thought it was the government, not a union, that she worked for previously?

Another2Cats · 26/08/2026 07:50

poodlemum01 · 26/08/2026 07:37

did lisa mckenzie work for RCN? I thought it was the government, not a union, that she worked for previously?

From her bio on their website

"More recently she worked for the Royal College of Nursing."

NebulousSupportPostcard · 26/08/2026 10:37

SexMatters84 · 25/08/2026 23:31

The ex-RCN employee could be Lisa Mackenzie of Murray Blackburn Mackenzie.

Oh thank you, I just found this: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nurses-union-accused-of-hounding-out-policy-officer-over-trans-rights-work-3285569

moto748e · 26/08/2026 10:44

Thanks for that, @SexMatters84 , I'd heard of MBM of course, but didn't know the full story. And it's the familiar tale; wrongthink will not be tolerated. How fucked up are unions these days?

borntobequiet · 26/08/2026 17:04

SexMatters84 · 26/08/2026 08:43

https://womansplaceuk.org/2021/06/22/policing-feminist-thought/

Lisa's article about why she left RCN.

Lisa may not be the ex-RCN employee who will be a witness for Sandie, it's just a possibility.

Thank you very much for this.

poodlemum01 · 26/08/2026 18:34

NHS Scotland are looking for a head of equality and human rights, if anyone wants to apply and knock some sense into our health boards up here??

SirChenjins · 26/08/2026 20:02

Oooh - I fancy a change of scene!

JonBonJ · 28/08/2026 14:55

Thanks for this Impossibletoday. As I understand it, the only ground for appeal not accepted was as attached (p25 on appeal for full details) , which will be challenged.

Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62
Hoardasurass · 28/08/2026 15:04

The express have picked up on this

MyAmpleSheep · 28/08/2026 15:18

Reading the NOA, it sounds like Naomi Cunningham's excellent arguments pled in the more temperate language of Ben Cooper KC.