Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62

I’ve stopped following this topic and things have moved on since I last read about it. Was today Sandy Peggy’s legal case against the RCN or something else?

RCN, for their uselessness in assisting her as a paying member.

She's appealing some of the findings that went against her in the employment tribunal, and the court has agreed she can raise almost all of the points that she wanted to. This doesn't mean she'll win on them but they've agreed to hear her. I think someone said it would likely be next year before that was next in court.

It's like Mumsnetters trying to get their share of the right wing funding, that all gets sent straight to me, out of my vault.

Only if you say the, completely unknown to anyone but me and a Russian bot farm, far right money tree incantation correctly, forwards and backwards, whilst standing on your head and one leg drinking a bottle of Buckfast whilst eating a Tunnock's Tea Cake will you be successful.

It's why I own a super yacht and three helicopters.

What occurred to me is flip the narrative. Say Doctor U was actually a nurse, phone the RCN, said somebody was mean to me and now I'm suspended, what do we think would happen next?

Can I suggest
Sandie Peggie Employment Tribunal and associated legal claims: current case v Royal College of Nursing - thread #63
that way you're less likely to run into a character limit, and it'll be easier to see at a glance where we're at?

Boiled if you're still having trouble with your printer and have done the traditional "switch it off and on again" thing, try restarting the Print Spooler service

They would call for a national strike in support of Beth.

Maybe "In addition to" rather than "Following"? I think the claim against KS etc was filed before the result of the original ET against NHS Fife and BU was known, so "following" doesn't seem quite right, but I couldn't swear to the order of filings, and in any case that might not end up being the same as the order in which things are heard.

It feels to me that they're gearing up to say she's been groomed to make the claims of being GC, given she didn't know what GC was before The Incident.

To me, however, she was peaked by the build up to and the aftermath of The Incident.

Being unable to name a crime doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Article in the Times about today
https://www.thetimes.com/article/15e4d229-e3bc-43b7-861d-aaf6a5a9373b?shareToken=1619d33524bf5f3088985b751395349f&ver=article

Michael Foran talked about RCN's tactics in his livestream this evening. If I understood correctly, he thinks they are wanting to suggest (likely correctly) that the idea this was belief discrimination against SP wasn't really in anyone's mind at the beginning of the process. In contrast to NHS Fife's strategy of saying SP was a nasty bigot, RCN seems just to want to say that she was offered the support that she would have been if she'd had different protected characteristics, and that if they overlooked things they could have offered it was just that, an oversight. He seemed to think it a sensible strategy.

Oh FFS!

Happy dance time.

And yes! I hadn't turned it off and on again.

Will I never learn!!

Thank you.

Seriously my brain was that fried it hadn't occurred to me to switch it off and start again.

I can see the logic in that. If you don't mind setting your pride and right side of history-ness aside, this wasn't ideological we just didn't do very well is an attractive argument to make.

But I do hope Sandie's team make sure to get as many NMC witnesses as possible to claim of course they'd have helped her terfy self, if they'd only realised what was going on.

(I am twitching every time people mix up RCN and NMC - they are completely separate organisations!)

Gosh I hadn't realised SP is being investigated by NMC.

Is she? What for?

is the GMC looking at Upton who said in court that he is female and would provide care to a woman who’d asked for single sex care until she complained in which case he’d get a colleague along?

I think the nasty jokes about Pakistanis that came out in that Benidorm group chat. She will not be the only one who ended up with an NMC referral out of that one, since the leaking colleague had been discussing a patient on there.

Some people did report Upton to the GMC but not sure what's happening there.

Possibly, but my understanding is that she is being investigated for trans phobia

Oh really? Hadn't heard about that. Is anything written about it?

Edit- cross post with Nauticant!

Yes the colleague of Sandie's that went on the stand to gleefully share the racist jokes had named a patient (full name and surname) and discussed their condition on the same WhatsApp group.

She also burst into tears and answered "no" when Naomi asked her if that was the worst thing she (the colleague, I forget her name) had said on the group. So Lord knows what else was on that chat.

Re Dr Upton - I seem to remember that people who complained about him were told that his professional body wouldn't investigate while proceedings are ongoing.