STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

See the post below yours the mob is on here ..ugly and unkind

Any space with men in it is much more dangerous to women than one without. That’s the hard facts here.

Why this person is allowed to be out and about when he is clearly very very aggressive? He is clearly prepared to hurt someone for "misgendering" - what if its someone smaller, weaker than him?

In addition to this, this looks to me like a fucking tantrum - I doubt there is much wrong with this person mentally (apart from his fetish or whatever it is makes him think he should be called "she"). He seemed totally normal when led back to the car.

Having said that, and to be fair, if the cop really wanted to diffuse the situation he could have tried calling the guy "she" to see if it calms him down.

If he HAD been a woman, he WOULD have left. I've never hung about screaming for the police when I've been insulted/objectified in public. A common occurence for lots of women.

All I saw was an unwell person having some sort of manic episode.
If those are the wrong terms, it's unintentional. The teacher in me thought the officer made a mistake with 'are you threatening me...?' at the start- concentrate on the primary issue etc. But it's easy to say this thousands of miles away behind a computer.

"I think it’s incredibly wrong, a total breach of privacy and an abuse of position for a police officer to put this on YouTube."

The police didn't do this. The bodycam footage was obtained from the police force in question by somebody making a Freedom of Information request.

In the USA, just about every public record can be accessed under either federal or state law. There are some exceptions though. For example bodycam footage will generally be withheld while the criminal case is ongoing or if it is inside somebody's home or the person is under 18 etc.

"...a total breach of privacy..."

I would totally disagree with you here. This happened in a public place (a university I believe). Now, if it had taken place inside this person's home then that would certainly be an invasion of privacy to release it.

"This person needs help not mockery."

Where is the mockery?

"And you OP - why have you shared it on here?"

There is, amongst certain sections of society, the belief that all trans-identifying men are lovely people who wouldn't hurt a fly.

This video allows us to see what happened when one trans-identifying man wasn't indulged in his beliefs.

It took two policemen to deal with him.

I would not want to confront a person like that on my own in a confined area.

"...a mentally ill person"

Is there any actual evidence of this?

If you have a look at the video, he looks like somebody who gets wound up very easily and is not good at controlling his emotions. Whether that makes him "...a mentally ill person" I really don't know.

"If this man were one of your work colleagues, would you be happy pussy-footing around him and calling him 'she/her' in case of a massive temper-tantrum?
Would you be happy sharing a changing room with him (if you were, say, a nurse)?"

No, of course no one would be comfortable in a room with someone this distressed, but that has nothing to do with the persons gender orientation - this is someone who is clearly struggling and needs help, and putting this forward as evidence to support hatred of any particular group is really, really poor.

..and this is exactly where it ends.

So we will go back to pregnant children locked away, anyone with any difference locked away...all the scandals of the past repeated...the massive excess deaths in these institutions and more.

An appalling and hate filled thing to comment

You avoided the question. He’s not just “someone this distressed”. He’s a man, and the question is about whether women should have to walk on eggshells to prop up his alternative reality in the workplace/public spaces.

"If he HAD been a woman, he WOULD have left. I've never hung about screaming for the police when I've been insulted/objectified in public. A common occurence for lots of women."
So no women, ever make a scene in public, that has never happened 🤔😁. You're not making a very good case for your point of view by making stuff up.

He was dressed like a toddler and behaved like a toddler. From the cold open I'm guessing he'd had an unpleasant interaction with some other people prior to the copper arriving.

Pure speculation but I suspect it's happened before and he'd normally get sympathy and validation from the staff as they're not allowed to taser him. It was his misfortune that the police arrived to investigate a stolen car.

The filming was made available to the public because the American police are obliged to release bodycam footage whether they want to or not.

It reminded me of the trans identifying female attorney who had a tantrum in a courtroom. Then, as now, it seemed performative. Playing up for an audience only they can see. Or something they can relate to their online 'friends' in the aftermath. I'm sorry for him. I hope he can grow up.

Do you think men should be able to use women’s spaces @Jo7890123- it’s extremely relevant, because that’s what men like this demand. They are all over social media commenting on how much they resent being told no by women.

While I agree with everyone saying this guy is not all there and his reaction is mad - however, as I said above, isn't it what you are supposed to do with someone who is not all there - agree with them, not contradict them? Like, a crazy violent person kicking off saying they are Napoleon - you are supposed to say "yes, yes you are, lets chill and now lets put these Napoleon bracelets on you and go to the nice Napoleon house" - not contradict them so they get even madder? Though I also think this is what the crazy guy might have expected.

I wasn't reading all the replies and actually had to scroll back up to find out what Lidl had to do with it as I thought that was a joke. 🤣

I don't like the use of police body cam footage in the US at all. There are whole Netflix documentaries told from the point of view of police footage now. I can see why they do it, but its horrible to see people at their very worst and it be spread across the world.

No, of course no one would be comfortable in a room with someone this distressed, but that has nothing to do with the persons gender orientation

It's not his gender orientation but his sex that is the issue. Men are much bigger and stronger than women: if someone as aggressive and unreasonable as this believes that he's entitled to go into women's private spaces, those women are in physical danger.

There was no hate in that comment, which was based on current attitudes to possibly dangerous people, with mental problems, being allowed to walk around the streets, possibly posing a very unpredictable danger to the rest of society.
How many times have we heard after a murder (the awful Southport multiple murders) that the murderer had mental problems?
We are not talking about young, pregnant women being locked away, we have moved on from that thank God, we are talking about people with severe mental problems being kept in secure places, where they can be looked after and treated by experienced medical staff, where they are safe and do not pose a problem to society as a whole.

It's possible to be vulnerable and dangerous. This man is dressed like a pre-pubescent anime girl. Note his stripy stockings and little girl shoes.

It's very likely that he has a fetish for thinking he's a little girl. Indulging this fetish is obviously making him more unwell, because as he says, he thinks whenever people don't indulge him he's being 'abused'.

He should have been given therapy years ago to encourage him to realise that he can't change sex and he can't expect everyone else in the world to go along with his strange fantasy.

He has been let down horribly by the people who think they are being 'kind' to him. But he also has the potential to be violent, and he shouldn't be in women's spaces.

Who is mocking?

This man is obviously vulnerable. That doesn't preclude him from being a gigantic pain in the arse and presenting difficulty for the rest of society.

The creation of a sacred caste that is not held accountable is helping nobody, least of all vulnerable people demanding the impossible.

This with bells on. I said to my BIL that I was going to identify as Yusain Bolt from now on ( I'm a white ,61 year old woman who's 5'4 and has no athletic ability). He laughed. I pointed out that, if a man in pink lycra joined BILs cycling club and called himself Ruth they'd all be falling over themselves to acknowledge 'her'. Its every bit the same level of nonsense as me veing a black athlete.

I'm not in any way an expert on autism or transgender issues, but your post intrigued me from a statistical perspective,

The prevalence of autism in the general population is thought to be between 1 and 3 percent. Someone identifying as transgender seems to be between 3 and 6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population, giving a top level of 18% of the transgender population being on the spectrum. So still much less likely to be be ND than not.

The meltdown filmed may well be an indicator of potential autism - or it may not.

I watched this with no amusement; horror, sympathy (for him, for the police, for the staff), and I have no clue how this could have been handled better. The video is taken for the protection of police and of the young man. Its release is to document the process of justice in the community. Some viewers will laugh, some will cry; nobody has any ability to control how viewers react to it

It's possible/likely he is not 'crazy' in that he may well not have a mental illness.

More likely he has personality disorder or disorders, and also be neurodivergent.

May be worth considering whether 'affirming' a personality disorder actually exacerbates it.

You're conflating two issues. Trans and mental health.

I'm not getting into a discussion about the first. But the 2nd, yes. Get the individual help with their mental health.

This clip has gone viral for whatever reason.

This behaviour and the issues it raises are something that is causing problems within our society.

As I said in my previous comment that is partly a consequence of the actions of others which over can have ultimately encouraged and enabled it.

We SHOULD be talking about this. It's something that is uncomfortable to watch. I think there are a lot of comments here which ARE NOT remotely laughing at the individual. And the criticism ISN'T personal. It's about a wider problem which, quite frankly, has been caused by allies and a failure to talk about this.

I have said for many years now we should not be focused on identity. We should be focused on behaviours. Identity politics creates blind spots to unacceptable and antisocial behaviour which, as a society we should be acknowledging and working together to deal with.

This involves having uncomfortable and difficult conversations which may be controversial and we may not enjoy. Or feature views and opinions which we don't like. Because it is FAR more unhealthy NOT to talk about them.

The root of the riff with my brother was never about his identity. It's about what his identity enabled him to do and how this was unacceptable and harmed others in his immediate radius. Yet as someone who said "this isn't ok" I was the villain. Even my own mother who was so so supportive and affirmative said his behaviour was unacceptable but I should just suck it up because he now had special status.

The support that people who ultimately get into his situation with IS the problem. It's all the promises and enabling of a fantasy that is directly at odds with the reality and legal issues that it creates that the issue.

The video is a visual representation of all that's gone wrong. And we are supposed to ignore it and pretend everything is fine when it's quite clearly not.

The people who have been most harmed by affirmations and untruths are not just women and gay people. It very much is the case that it's those who identify as trans themselves.

As I say regularly, if I had a magic wand which could change peoples sex I would wave it. But I suspect this wouldnt solve the problems that so many face anyway. Because trans presentation is far too often the symptom rather than the cause of their personal issues.

It's about time we had these honest conversations about the whole damn thing because without it, the only outcome is lots more people harmed. It's not ok.

You appear to have diagnosed him as “mentally ill“ based on him having a tantrum when challenged. What if he wasn’t, but realised if he every time threw a tantrum he’d get what he wanted? And it’s very obvious why you won’t discuss whether a group of men, including a not inconsiderable number of men like this, should be in women’s spaces with women and girls, because you know you can’t back it up.