STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

I wonder what the police response would have been if this had happened in the UK. I'm not sure the police response in the video to what is clearly a mentally unwell person is the most appropriate one.

I think the video does illustrate something we already know, which is that trans identification, a history of mental illness and autism are often co-morbid.

The op didn’t ‘obtain’ the footage in some nefarious way! It’s all over the internet and in some online newspapers. I don’t think anyone is laughing- but it is an issue that needs discussing- how are situations like this best managed and avoided? Did the police manage it correctly? What policies do public spaces need? We have no evidence as to wether the person is mentally ill, my guess is not, but either way this kind of behaviour can’t just be ignored - it’s frightening.

Dismissing him as an attention seeker, attributing it all to a performance, not buying the excuses offered up, none of that is laughing at him. It's a comment on the antisocial element of his tantrum, when does bad behaviour stop and mental health issues start. If we start claiming every outburst from every person is down to mental health, we might as well say being mental is the norm.

None of the other posters here are laughing at the screaming, manipulative foot stamper and the situation he created, but I am.
The weary, resigned faces of all the workers around him; the pissed-off police; the dialogue! It's priceless! A perfect illustration of the cult of gender identity and the ordinary service workers expected to submit to it or undergo social death. May this video never leave the internet.

What's odd is all transwoman are lovely

I agree with a lot of this.

As people who live in society, we all need to learn to manage ourselves within that - and that includes people who find it difficult. What we see here is totally unacceptable behaviour, we cannot have adults throwing full blown temper tantrums in public like this. I also agree that a cultural of affirmation has built this person's expectations.

Oh dear.

RTFT. This is a publicly available clip that is released un the name of transparency over police action.

I am no fan of the police but this bodycam us somewhat reassuring that they don't all instantly resort to bodyslamming someone to the ground or shoiting them.

This kind of clip helps when women say "no" to trans identified men in their spaces. It counters all the "but all my trans friends are gentle souls who completely pass and wouldn't hurt a fly". People can judge for themselves.

I didn't see laughter on the thread. I saw a lot of different concerns. Many for the individual throwing a spectacular tantrum.

We are allowed to speak of these things.

Sometimes people don't have autism or a mental heath problem, they're just arseholes.

Exactly. Why are people ignoring this aspect?

Pure performance for attention. Look at me, look at me.

It's all just so exhausting that we've given seriously mentally unwell people such a platform.

I'm as GC as they come but I think the police could easily have deescalated this and I don't mean by calling him a her. This man may be autistic, may be mentally unwell, may be a narcissist but definitely doesn't need all this attention given to him. 'I'm dealing with a stolen car right now, you need to report the abusive behaviour to the university'. Then move on and ignore. Only if he followed and escalated did it need taking further than that.

It's like the police want to engage with him and that's just feeding and fueling his desperation for attention IMO. I appreciate he may be an easy win over trying to find who stole the car but really, what's the point? Nothing is likely to come of it and it just makes him feel more of a victim, more marginalised and more likely to be driven to extremes.

Agree with this.

And to the pp saying police exacerbated the situation - if I'm a professional law enforcer, being recorded, then you bet I'll speak MY truth and not someone else's delusion!

To be CIS i think she needs to demonstrate feminine qualities, so is multi murder particularly feminine?

Maybe she is trans then?

People had no problem mocking the absurdity and entitlement of Rachel Dolezal

The only one I saw mis-gendering was the man arrested (27 years old!!!), he was mis-gendering himself. Police should’ve acted faster.
Autistic or not, other people shouldn’t be afraid of his behaviour or have to put up with it.
He needs to spend some time in a mental health unit after any prison time. (Assuming he has some prison time).

She wasn't out of control (which doesn't mean she isn't autistic). I've seen autistic meltdown and you can't switch it on and off like that. She was trying to manipulate a situation by using her trans characteristics because they have protected status. But she has been allowed to believe that because she is protected for being trans, she is also protected for behaving unreaonably. It's quite possible that she's both a prick and a trans woman.

It reminds me of the paedophile prisoner who became aggressive and racist when he overheard nurse Jennifer Melle refer to him as 'she' in her telephone conversation with a Dr to discuss his discharge. It was vital she tell the Dr his sex because discharge would involve the Dr removing a catheter via his penis.

Vast majority of trans people or as you call them "these people" are not like that.

Hi there. Why do you think this man and the many others like him should be in women’s spaces, exactly? I think you have said on other threads that you support “trans rights” including the “right” of so called “trans women” (men) to access women’s spaces, no? Do you expect women and girls to walk on eggshells around highly volatile and unstable men like this? Do you understand that they are at least if not more vulnerable in an altercation with a large adult male? If that’s not your view, I apologise.

A considerable number. I didn’t actually say “the vast majority”. It’s not safe for unstable men to be in female only spaces where they are going to be challenged by women.

Exactly.

How manuy of them are there though- a handful, that get megnified by social media, and then people like you gulp it up like a gospel.
This person clearly suffers from mental health issues where being trans or not doesnt even play a role. It could have been a woman, or a man. Really sad how this is being framed i na 'trans women are deranged and dangerous'.
I use shared facilities frequently, it's really no biggie once you are not a bigot believing every single thing media with an agenda put out there.

One thing’s for sure it’s dealing with an incredible level of entitlement. Complete failure to engage with those who have the obligation to keep the peace by law, and instead the phrase ‘I’m right’. Men always believe they’re in the right no matter what they’re doing. Contrast the phrase ‘a woman’s place is in the wrong’.

I am tired of all the onus to deescalate, be kind, etc!

Yes i agree

I have no valid reason to see this video

His privacy should be respected / protected

Men should not be in women’s spaces. The sense of entitlement, resentment when told no and need for control of others that some people who identify as trans have is not remotely uncommon in that cohort. Society really needs to understand that, because the world doesn’t revolve around them. Other people have rights too.